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Gandalf MBTI

Myers Briggs type and personality details of 'Gandalf'
Gandalf MBTI type
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Lord of The Rings

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TOTAL MBTI VOTES: 94


INTJ - 54
INFJ - 25
INTP - 12
ENTP - 2
ENFJ - 1

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TOTAL ENNEA VOTES: 32


1W9 - 24
5W4 - 3
5W6 - 3
2W1 - 1
9W1 - 1

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Makes sense. I settled for INTJ when I recall his battle mode, which is kind of Se. Got it. I think that while he certainly gives off that vibe and thus probably is INTx letter-by-letter he actually does try to shape the world in grand ways.

MBTI type of Gandalf

. Te is as logical as Ti. Te relies on data/empirical induction while Ti on principles/deductions.

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. . .Information about Myers Briggs Type Indicator of Gandalf. . .Which of the 16 personality types is Gandalf?. . . However when we have to vote we should look for best fit. . . I would think his drive and vision and then his attempt to fulfill the vision. Stripped down of all things else Gandalf's preference is for Ni-Te. But those two types are less likelier than INTJ in my opinion. I believe Gandalf is a Je type and a sure introvert. He has a ton of power but is very modest and really doesn't try to shape the world apart from when strong circumstances arise. And he just seems to use Ti and not Te, understanding the world through logic primarily, except for maybe in his reborn form he could be an INTJ. And Gandalf the White's lower Fi naturally implies higher Te, and vice versa for Grey, which is why White appears more "J" and less warm than Grey despite them both being INTJ. True but I could invert that argument to make the exact same case for a more adaptable INTJ. If we just keep saying "INTPs can make grand plans too" and "INTJs can adapt plans too" then we won't get anywhere. I wonder, though: if you exclude every time Gandalf changes the plan due to something out of his control, how many times does he adapt the plan at all. It's not like INTP's are incapable of planning. They just prefer less rigid plans that allow for spontaneous adjustment. When he's forced to go through the mines of Moria, he shows very weak Se/Te, not being able to adapt his plans to reality. His frustration kind of reminds me of Locke (Lost). On the other hand, I don't see much Fi with the White. He somehow lacks the warmth and humanity of the Grey. An INTJ with stronger Ni/weaker Te than most would be like this. There's no evidence of actual spontaneity or indecision. The Grey seams INTPish to me (indecisive, not a very good planner, not always straightforward in his communication style etc), while The White is one of the best INTJ example that comes to mind. . . As for your comment about keeping a stronger watch over them, in Bilbo's journey he had to leave in order to investigate the Dol Guldur fortress. He got captured and imprisoned in the process. When he is with the group, he's actually pretty focused and structured and leads them assertively. INTJs won't necessarily be domineering in a leadership position, they'll just be focused on the goal/vision above all else and will strive for it in a logical, objective, impersonal manner. He lets things happen, then reacts to them via intuition. An INTJ would have kept a much stronger watch over Frodo and Bilbo's journeys and actively reigned them in. There's only 16 different types and a ton of different personalities, so comparing him to Galadriel isn't exactly fair. That being said I've had him as INTP for a while now. @jlee-blue: I like that heuristic. I think it's true for any type: the stronger the dominant, the weaker the auxiliary. Where are you even seeing Fe in him. I see none. Of course this is just a general correlation but it makes true in theory and based off observations of real people. INTJ and INFJ are much more grounded than their INTP and INFP counterparts who are huge dreamers and philosophers. Internal judgers temper their theories in personalized judgment, while extroverted judgers temper them in a more collective judgment. It's like saying that everything that seems Si is Se. So everything that seems Ni is actually Ne. I actually think that Ni vs Ne is extremely misunderstood. I'd say that most famous philosophers of the last few centuries are actually INxP despite getting typed as INxJ because of supposed "Ni". Ni types are actually usually much more direct and concerned with reality than their Ne counterparts, especially the introverts. Ne is constantly being mistaken as Ni just because guess what, Ne can manifest itself as one big idea. It's hilarious that some philosophers come up with singular concepts and somehow that becomes proof of "Ni" to the community here. This is true of INFJs who may appear tactless; the Ni is so strong that Fe can be overshadowed by the pressure of an "inner vision. " Not concretely saying Gandalf is an INFJ, but I see a lot of Ni, and I would say the argument for INFJ is more plausible and compelling than the credit given to it. I just see him more on the Fe/Ti axis. His communication is the opposite of that Te conciseness. Yes I see more INTJ in him than anything else as well. He may have ethics but that tertiary Fi gives that and I have seen it in other INTJs as well. INTJs are Ni doms too, so they can have "mystical intuitiveness" just like INFJs. The difference between Gandalf and Saruman is not F vs. evil. Gandalf is more balanced and is on the side of good but they're both logical, sincere, and self-centered, and neither modify what they say for the sake of outer ethics and group harmony. I can understand the INTP argument from a by-the-letters perspective but I can't see INFJ at all. That sort of mystical intuitiveness, and his interaction methods - can't be anything but INFJ. @Wh1skey: What's your definition of Fe. Many of the things you explain away with Fe are not at all beyond Fi. For example, here's your comments on the Gandalf/Bilbo thing with different explanations: "In one scene in the hobbit (3rd movie towards the end), Bilbo volunteered to travel across the battlefield to warn the dwarves of somrthing. Gandalf failed to use Ni-Te to see a possibility where Bilbo can make it. I used my Ni-Te to project into the future and imagine a scenario with good chances of you making it and surviving, and failed to see it. you can't make it. (Fi). " Bilbo firmly replied with "I can do it. Trust me. "lol @Debaser. . . Noticeably stronger presence of Fe over Fi because of his acceptance of a variety of cultures; also, he is a likable individual, naturally able to get along with others. To give an example, when Bilbo told Gandalf that Bilbo lost the ring, Gandalf knew he was lying, but let him keep it because he could tel that Bilbo badly desired to keep it. While he can use Ne to foresee a variety of possibilities of a situation, he lets others make decisions. He prefers to influence others in their decision-making by providing information. When recalling information, he consults his data of stored knowledge to reinforce his Ti-Ne possibilities. This is indicative of Si. Hence, his occasional outbursts at Bilbo. In one scene in the hobbit (3rd movie towards the end), Bilbo volunteered to travel across the battlefield to warn the dwarves of somrthing. Gandalf told him, "You won't make it. I used my Ti-Ne to see a good possibility with good chances of you making it and surviving, and failed to see it. You're a close friend of mine and I cannot afford to lose you. (Si-Fe). Trust me. " Gandalf uses his Fe to trust his word. A healthy INTJ. Far easier for the healthy INTP to exist which is why he comes across as one. Well, for starters, in The Desolation of Smaug it is revealed that Gandalf, not Thorin, was the person who started the quest for Erebor. So from the start, Gandalf had a clear vision and plan in mind: to collect a group of dwarves, a burglar (who he picked before Bilbo even knew about the quest), and send them to obtain the Arkenstone and unite the dwarves. Though he may change the tactics as complications arise, the overall plan remains exactly the same: get to Erebor. When the dwarves refuse to go to Rivendell, Gandalf leads them there without their knowledge, because he knows, for the plan to work, he needs to get Elrond to read the map. Gandalf stops paying attention to Saruman because he knows that the dwarves are leaving while the White Council deliberates and knows that the blade is a Morgul blade, thus having no need to listen to Saruman's droning. Remember, Saruman is biased against Radagast and refuses to accept his testimony that the sword is a Morgul blade, while Gandalf trusts Radagast's judgment and can see for himself that the blade is indeed a Morgul blade. . . Though his plan evolves as the journey continues, it's still always in place and every big decision he makes furthers that plan. Now, I definitely agree that the troll-ish quote about "good morning" is extremely INTPish, but that's very small evidence that doesn't preclude J by itself. Lincoln's leadership style was different from Gandalf's, at least from what I know of Lincoln and what I've said about Gandalf. Better, but I still completely disagree that Gandalf THE GREY is more of a planner than an improviser. But in the movies, Gandalf is clearly shown to be basically the opposite of Bilbo, and the P/J divide is the clearest difference between the two. I see him as very unstructured and rather relaxed. He pays little to no regard to schedules and rules and he changes plans on a whim. I don't see him as particularly goal-focused, certainly not beyond the capability of an old, wise INTP. It's about how it is done, not what is done. And Gandalf's contrast to the clearly INTJ Saruman only drives this home. . . Everything about Gandalf the Grey points to INTP in my book. His entire demeanor, how he interacts, particularly with the hobbits, and every action he takes and everything he says. ") It all screams INTP. And by the same logic as offered below, could I not say that Gandalf is "more J than you might think" because his "dominant function" Ti is a "introverted judging function. This is the problem with functions. They can be twisted to mean anything you want them to and argue anything and write off opposing evidence by pointing to some ridiculous function loophole that does not exist and was not ever intended as part of the theory. They were never ever ever intended to be (ab)used this way. If they hold any use at all, it is only as a tool for breakdown and further reflection AFTER one has already determined their type through proper means. The best that can be said about Gandalf is that, for the reasons I explained, his behavior is generally more consistent with the definition of a type who predominantly extroverts perceiving rather than judging. Thus he is an INTP, not INTJ. Nothing more can be said regarding this fictional character's "functions" (an absurdity in itself) that can be even close to accurate or consistent or that I couldn't rip a hole in to argue Gandalf is in fact ESFP. It's all relative and typing loses all meaning when you do it that way. Don't waste your time writing about how this fictional wizard's dominant function is "Ni" and how because in this instance it is in favor of your argument even though in another it might not be, that means he is really a J who just happens to act like a P. I will just laugh. I agree with you there. But they're excellent insights into someone's inner workings and motivations. That way, I can defend my typings whether I'm talking to a "Keirseyan" or a "functions-user. " Here's a by-the-letters argument for you: Gandalf's an INT, clearly, and a J because he's more of a planner than an improviser. He's not 100% J but leans that way, even if only slightly. He's not unstructured or particularly relaxed; he's structured and tenacious. "Natural" maybe is better. But the point still stands: Gandalf, grey or white, always does have a plan and is prepared to do nearly anything to execute it. I'd also argue that Gandalf exhibits a different type of "strong will" than the one you just described for INTPs. For Gandalf, he's strong-willed in that the plan and goal comes first above all else, while INTPs are strong-willed in that they won't budge unless they deem it necessary to. Woah and since when are INTPs not strong willed. Seriously what. If that's not strong willed, absolutely nothing is. IxxP types in general are fiercely independent and very strong willed. If anything I would say Js are less strong willed on average as they are more likely to turn to external rules and structure for guidance and concede to external standards of judgement. INTPs do not. INTPs can be quite stubborn and refuse to allow themselves to be pushed into anything by anyone and stand firm on their (logical) principles no matter what. Same goes for ISTPs and IxFPs. Are you going to tell me that the greatest leader in US history, INTP Abraham Lincoln, was also an INTJ for this reason. See this is what I mean by people arbitrarily shapi g what each type can be and the definitions of functions, etc. Not the way it's supposed to work. No, I think that even if functions weren't total pseudoscience (which they totally are) and even if they were intended to be used as typing tools according to the original theory (which they totally weren't), Gandalf the Grey still fits "Ne" better - that is to say, he extroverts his intuition and perceiving. And yes, INTJs are 100% J as much as any other J types, and INTPs are as P as any other P type. Drawing an arbitrary line as to "how J" a type should be because of a ridiculous concept that everyone prefers 4 vaguely defined symbols that are never supposed to be used to type people according to one of 16 fixed "orders" is ridiculous. Some INTJs may have stronger judging preferences than others. Gandalf is simply not one. Not much of a planner at all. The way he just changes plans on the fly and wanders off. . . And that quote I posted. Well, if anything is evidence of "Ti," that right there is it. You have no evidence whatsoever for Gandalf being an "Ni" type or preferring to extrovert judging. None at all. The White may be a different story, I'm not so sure. But in The Hobbit and Fellowship, he is definitely an INTP. The P/J dichotomy is most erroneously used again and again. Gandalf is an Ni dominant, no hint of Ne. Ni is all "P", thus INJs aren't as J as you might think. But he's also tenacious, strong-willed, and very comfortable in a leading role. So though he has some P qualities, overall he's a J. But I agree that Gandalf the Grey is more P than Gandalf the White. He is about as INTP as it gets. The following quote is literally the most INTP thing ever said: "What do you mean. " How much more INTP can it get. The answer is none. And let us not forget "A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. From his beard to his clothes to his laid back demeanor to his fireworks. It just doesn't get more P than Gandalf the Grey. Hell no. The entire point of The Hobbit is to contrast Gandalf's very P lifestyle to Bilbo's very J lifestyle and show how Gandalf gave him a sense of adventure and whimsy. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them. " And "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. " Seriously, how do so many people think Gandalf is a J. Were they watching the same movies I was. Now, maybe Gandalf became a bit more J like Sauroman when he became the White, but as the Grey. INTJ. Compare to Galadriel (INFJ). Also, when tempted by the Ring, Gandalf doesn't show external signs of temptation but merely shouts "Don't tempt me, Frodo. " and then explains to Frodo calmly why he cannot take it. " before refusing it. Representative Exemples are based on the number of vote , not on ratioWhy the hell does the home page list Gandalf as an INTP example when the votes weigh in favor of INTJ.