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Myers Briggs type and personality details of 'INFJ vs ESTP'

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INFJ - 48
ESTP - 27

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5W6 - 5
5W4 - 5
4W5 - 4
7W8 - 3
7W6 - 1

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. this question is stupid as hell and I'm an INFJ. This question was setup to shit on INFJs I feel like. .

MBTI type of INFJ vs ESTP

. Everyone on the internet is always struggling to play devils advocate so hard to try to and receive major attention for their so called profound insights that they lose touch with reality in the process. Stop itI'm way more than rational than these weirdos.

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. They're scared of the world and especially of me. Everytime I start talking to an INFJ, they like "Uh buh No please".Information about Myers Briggs Type Indicator of INFJ vs ESTP. You could pair any type with its 'opposite', and, as expected, the thinking type wins in terms of being 'more thinking', since their thinking function is always higher than the feeler's. Similarly, ESTP should thereby be 'more thinking/rational' than INFJ; the post seems like bait for either intuitive bias (which is where bending the definition of 'most thinking/rational' comes into play) or stereotyping.Which of the 16 personality types is INFJ vs ESTP?. Initially, I took ESTPs as dumb jocks (as the stereotype follows), but when it came to my 'nerdy' acquaintances, pretty much half of them were ESTPs, and all of them definitely more rational than myself. What I will say, though, is that while stereotypes should be a trend and not the rule, for most, it is the rule in their mind until someone breaks it. lelESTP's secondary function is thinking while the thinking function in INFJs is tertiary. So judging purely off functions, ESTP is 'the most thinking' one. There's always a bias for intuitives because of that. Sensors are so underrated on this site im not a sensor but i have noticed this. Se is just observational but really even Ni is grounded in reality. It gets its insights from somewhere. You keep changing the definition of rational though. You're basically saying ESTPs aren't more rational because they have weaknesses and flaws. ''But it's unfair to use Ni to describe INFJ and Se to describe ISTP. '' You mean in the sense that they should be compared based on the first function. Still the issue here is ESTP vs INFJ and I explain why I wouldn't neccesary call ESTP more rational just due to being T, because having a overview of your life and where every piece fits together is part of what I call a rational person, and this is something in which ESTP have issues. I'll agree that INTXs are the most contemplative. Just like it would be bias of me to say that ISTPs are more contemplative due to Ti and INFJs aren't due to Fe. To make it clear: I'm not saying INFJ are more rational because they have more important philosophers, but rather that is irational to say there are more ISTP philosophers when Ni is the most contemplative of functions, while Se the least interested in contemplation. Anyway, the thing is that individuals of both types can be rationale, but neither of these types is characterized by rationality first and foremost,. ESTPs can be very intelligent in the here-and-now but can lack reason when it comes to arranging all the aspects of their life or planning for long term, INFJ can be intelligent when it comes to ordering their life depending on some long term goal but can lack practical sense in the here and now, so both types can be intelligent in a certain aspect and not in the other, and of course they can learn to balance this aspects. Still, I also don't believe in making stuff up just to be balance the bad things said about sensors, many of the most important philosophers were likely INFJs (Lao Tzi, Buddah, Plato, Spinoza, Plotinus, Schopenhauer), the only one I would presume to be ISTP is Epicurus, so I don't see on what this statement resides on. Maybe you know ISTPs who are philosophical from time to time, but while for ISTPs philosophy can be something to complete their everyday life, for INFJ is usually *their life*. Saying there are more ISTP philosophers is like saying there are more INFJ sportsman, logic would tell you types tend to gravitate towards what fits more their cognitive bias. My issue with saying ESTP are more rational than INFJ is that having an overview of your life and a long term goal is itself more rational than thanking unecessary risks for the sake of the moment's pleasure or thrill. Under a Jungian interpretation, both Ni (INFJ dominant function) and Se (ESTP dominant function) are irrational functions, since they are perceiving functions. Similarly, both Fe (INFJ auxiliary function) and Ti (ESTP auxiliary function) are rational functions, since they are judging functions. But what about the other half of the question, 'thinking'. By definition, ESTPs have auxiliary Thinking while INFJs have tertiary Thinking. End of story. Now, a genius-level INFJ could have far more powerful Ti than a run-of-the-mill ESTP, sure, just as a genius-level ESTP could have far more powerful Fe than a run-of-the-mill INFJ. Don't do it. Compare the average person of both types. Under that, NT is rational, so again we have a tie on the latter part. But again, ESTPs are 'thinking' while INFJs are 'feeling,' so ESTP is more 'thinking' than INFJs here too. Now let's suppose you're taking a statistical/a posteriori approach rather than a principled/a priori approach. You might find that INFJs as a group have a higher average IQ than ESTPs. One, that says nothing about individuals. For example, Christopher Langan (IQ 200) is an ESTP. It's simply mental horsepower, and actually a subset of mental horsepower that only measures a narrow swath of intellect and not necessarily thinking/rationality. So this approach is faulty. In other words, on this question you have to take a theoretical approach, and no matter which valid theoretical approach you take, ESTP comes out on top. This is not a knock against INFJs, who are collectively some of the most thoughtful, profound individuals out there. And before any of you accuse me of being a dumb sensor making a pathetic ploy for a self-esteem boost, I am actually a N type. A word of advice: making accusations like that just makes your case look weaker. The type bias in this thread knows no bounds. INFJs are as a group much more than 'Tumblr posters' and Sensors as a group are much more than 'regular. Everyone arguing INFJ is more thinking/rational than ESTP, stop. No, no, no, no, no. No. This definition moves the goalposts in favor of INFJ by adding N-related considerations into the definition of thinking/rationality. But this is a fundamental error and completely misconstrues what thinking/rational means. Similarly, redefining thinking/rational to mean pragmatic/factual moves the goalposts in favor of ESTP, so let's just reset. You all are overthinking this. The answer resides within the question, no matter your interpretation of typology. ESTP is more 'thinking/rational'. Just baseless claims and then when coaxed to explain yourselves you just throw out this "you wouldn't understand" copout. So an INFP acts according ro reason when they masturbate to unicorns . Congratulations, Teddyjr. It only shows that N does understand the theory better than S idiots. Rational serves to describe Man in general, and is a characteristic that separates him from the rest of the animals. '' This is what differentiates N from S, your monkey. . . An INFP stuck into dream world is more rational than STs . You guys are hopeless lolYou can not understand. "Mindlessly agree with my illogical dogmas or you're a stupid poopy head"You guys don't have an accurate understanding of N and S and you enforce this "Ns can do what Ss can't and but not vice-versa" idiocy. Of course you think we are stupid. Then complain about NFs . . . Ugh, guys one at a time, I can't handle so much stupidity all at once >. >What about ENFJ vs ESTP. INFJs are more rational in the long run. Simple. Rationalism and abstract ideas go together. . . I think all S types with N tert can have great ideias, ISTP with Ni very developed can understand several ideias and concepts. INFJs can be more rational because they tend to think before they speak whilst ESTPs can be rather impulsive. You say that ESTPs ARE and INFJs CAN have great ideas. The best ideas are abstract. . '' Most NFs are smarter than STs. XSTPs even with Ti end up risking equal animals; XSTJs even with Te ends up being easy to manipulate. LOL, NT>ST>NF>SF, but ESTPs still more rational than INFJs, however INFJs can have great ideias and can be rational too. Sensors have no ability to formulate philosophical and complex ideas. Sensors only know how to live in the predictable and the ordinary. They know how to make connections that normal people - Sensors - can not see and ignore. IQ research is a great example of this, because the statistics say that N are smarter than S. The only smart S that I met are ISTPs but still they are kind of dumb and can not understand some of my ideas. Rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic. idk what definition you are usingThinkers are more rational, what flavor it is ST or NT is just that, a flavor. Idk why someone would type themselves as a feeler if they think themselves to be rational and vice-versa. To think an NF is more rational than an ST is completely retarded. . ESTP's are more rational, but INFJs are more overthinkingDo you think INFJs who are afraid of interacting with the real world and as a result become sensitive SJW Tumblrinas who are always in and out of mental hospitals are more rational than ESTPs. Stereotypes are funLol you clearly don't understand mbti or how the functions work. Do you really think ESTPs are more rational than INFJs that avoid certain actions. Ti in STPs do not make them think outside the box, they just analyze the immediate environment and drive them to act and be more hands on mass. Idiot people think Johan is an ISTP, but in fact he is an INFJ because he is very abstract and clever. Idiot people think that Putin is an ISTP, but actually Putin is an INTJ because he is very strategist and focused. Most INTJs I talk to are pseudo-intellectual morons who think they're intelligent for quoting actual intellectuals verbatim. Clearly you don't understand how MBTI ever works when you say types are superior and inferior to one-another and how you trivialize anything that isn't intuition. Intuition is not this super function that you think it is and it does not by default make you a genius. Just because you have the same personality as Tesla and Newton doesn't mean you're Tesla or Newton. Learn the difference. ISTPs are Ti doms, Te tends to not think outside the box, Ti does. You aren't operating under any sort of logic. Just stereotypes and baseless bullcrap you made up in your head to compensate for your obvious lack of identity. You edgelord morons make me laugh, you're probably not even an INTJ or an N which makes it even funnier, cry some more kid xDKeep calm S types can be very intelligent and N types can be stupid too, N isn't a intelligence or something. ''Nope, that title goes to INTJs'' I wonder where you came up with that idea. Anyway, I notice that you have a strong need to defend STPs simply because you are an ISTP, it is understandable, but unfortunately in this world there are types that are superior to others. STPs may be good at sports, but have difficulty formulating abstract ideas and understanding and creating theories. Philosophical INFJs like Plato and Schopenhauer humiliate all the ISTP philosophers that you think exist. Anyway, I am an INTJ and through my conversation with various sensors and the research I have observed, S types are dumber and irrational than N types because they simply observe what is there and do not think outside the box. The superiority complex is strong with this one. . . And there's more STP engineers than INFJ. '' . . . . . ESTPs are definitely more "thinking/rational" than INFJs. Idk why ESTPs are so stereotyped in this site, ESTPs can be highly intelligent and they have more Ti than INFJs. There's more ISTP philosophers than INFJ philosophers. And there's more STP engineers than INFJ. I love how I'm a "bias special snowflake" when the two of you idiots are just circle-jerking one another with your "intuitive master race" bullshit. I wouldn't call ESTPs rational despite being T, they're more instinct first, thinking later. And through the researches N has a higher IQ than S. Even the idiots Of the INFPs that are Fi-dom have higher IQs than ISTPs that have Ti-dom. There are more scientific and philosophical INFJs than ESTPs. You're just defending the idea that ESTPs are more rational because you're a sensor. There's smart and dumb people of every type. Your anecdotal experiences don't count as arguments. >Chaotic is either a troll or some idiot who discovered MBTI like a month ago. Idk why you idiots think abstract means intelligent. Perception functions take in information. Rational functions come to decisions and draw conclusions so your analogy is just stupid. ''Se=Ni. Calling Ni more logical cause it's abstract is like saying Se is more logical cause it's realistic. auxillary Ti>tertiary Ti. . . xSTPs do not even seem to be rational because they risk a lot in danger, it looks like a bunch of animals. Ni>Ne>Si>Se. Statistically INFJs have higher IQ than ESTPs and all the Ns on the list are smarter than the S. It's not my fault you're a dumb sensor. Ni is more abstract and mathematical, if only thinks about sex. Statistically INFJs have higher IQ than ESTPs and all the Ns on the list are smarter than the S. ESTPs are more "thinking" obviously in a MBTI context, but INFJs are probably more "rational"Most ESTPs are street smart and pretty slick but lets be real INxxs in general top the intelligence spectrum. They are usually much more intellectual than other types. You took the words right out my mouth, ESTPs definitely are more rational than INFJs, however INFJs can be intelligent too. Se=Ni. Calling Ni more logical cause it's abstract is like saying Se is more logical cause it's realistic. auxillary Ti>tertiary Ti. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. I just think he's uncouth and doesn't always think through what he says. He seems to think everything is much easier and simpler than it actually is. Donald trump is 8w7, in general 8w7s are impulsive and agressive people, all ESTPs, ESTJs and ENTJs 8w7 tend to be irrational people. In general ESTPs are analytical and knowledgeable people, they can be very intelligent more than people think, but depends on the enneagram type. Think Donald Trump. Well one is a practical minded thinker, but the other majored in women's studies and writes Tumblr posts.