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Ludwig Wittgenstein MBTI

Myers Briggs type and personality details of 'Ludwig Wittgenstein'
Ludwig Wittgenstein MBTI type
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INxJ - 1 sp/sx or 5w4 sp/sx.To me it's undecided between INTP and INFJ. I wasn't arguing for the latter just before only considering a possibility.The proposal by the way also makes it easier to understand how the "orientation" of a functions changes.

MBTI type of Ludwig Wittgenstein

. Again the latter part of a function could differ depending, this time, simply on what's expected of other people, which can easily be varied independently from the "playing" part.About why T complements F and S N I think the answer is contingent on the human brain and, as importantly, the logistics of contemporary societies> This means the four functions are not necessary but contingent.

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.Sorry about the italicization. Darn!this is the ugliest page everEven the most abstract of Kant's work the neumenons are based on a logical premise unlike Witt who had the need to ditch logic for any such activity.Information about Myers Briggs Type Indicator of Ludwig Wittgenstein.INTPs can be spiritual in their private life but what makes Ti so good is the ability to separate convictions with what one thinks of as logical. Witt is spiritual and thus his work is too, his nature isn't logical despite his field requiring him to be.Which of the 16 personality types is Ludwig Wittgenstein?. I must admit that your case for INTP is much better than any other proposed here. Witt does use Ti in some ways but it's his Ni that overshadows all his life and work, to much disappointment of his peers. Also I have difficulty seeing Fe as inferior.Interesting arguments TooEasyToSignUp (TETSU). I think his style of reducing his positions to statements and paradoxes screams Ni over Ti especially given that he makes no effort to logically justify his position, he is more "this is because it's necessary).The private language question in itself is shown to not follow linear logic nor show clear logical implications so all it's commentaries are different. It's interesting but not logical. Still don't see (Ti). Also I feel he is more Nietzsche-esque in his propositions than Nietzsche himself, who had alot of use of Fi. Wittgenstein from beginning to the end had no intention of creating a logical framework for any thing - comparing him to Kant or anything Kantian is a disservice to Kant i.e Kant being a much much more important philosopher with very logical work.What we know: at the time he wrote TLP he was interested in Spinoza but his later philosophy is as logical as TLP (even sharing the main goal) and more akin to Kant's interests (see Stenius) even as he became more spiritual. But honestly both proposed types can have this trajectory. There remains to say I've learnt that some actually speculate Witt had Asperger's. So what do we think of that?Any of my peeps on here? Philosophy major grads? haha.Anyone want to make a case for INTJ? Some INTJ can use Ti very well, yet fill in the rest with a more intuitive worldview.@Hermann, it looks like you want to type him as INTJ.@bobnickmad This is where my "same clothes thing" came from. Apparently it's evidence of J (when I would actually argue the exact opposite.>>> (tomcostello quote) J - Obsessed with both self-discipline and disciplining others. Lived according to a strict routine. Wore the same clothes and ate the exact same meals every day for years on end.For him knowledge and complete understanding was beyond logic, for him logic binds us to see "truth". In which universe is that even remotely Ti or T? In this one. Recognizing that hard logic has limitations is completely logical.* bind us from seeing truthShow me one philosopher who thinks Wittgenstein was a rational in nature. All those who worked with him or knew him don't seem to think so at least. For him knowledge and complete understanding was beyond logic, for him logic binds us to see "truth". In which universe is that even remotely Ti or T? Just because he was a genius and had profound ideas doesn't mean he has to be NT. He has that crazy man like Ni.*shows that Wittgenstein's life had an idealistic, irrational and ascetic strike that strive toward a higher meaning * Scotty: so what, people now say he was FJ because he wore the same clothes? That's Scotty for you.I don't think he is in a Ni-Ti loop either. The guy had very little use of Ti in any of his theories. He just presented a philosophical position as truth without any need to expound on it. There is no logical framework in his work, just statements, the elucidation of how he reached them or what their logical implications were aren't present. There is a why reason he was regarded more of an artist or prophet than a logician or scientists. I also don't understand the incessant need to see INFJ just with the Fe angle. INFJ is an Ni type, period. The man is pure Ni, in a very stereotypical manner. His work is fertile for people to pick and expand on but that's not his aim at all. If he has to be a T type, he'd be INTJ, the fact I see INFJ is because even though no other function matches up to his Ni-Se, he's still in the Fe-Ti axis.Let me put it this way: Bertrand Russell (ENTP) has both more Ne and Fe than Wittgenstein does if he is an INTP. Russell had nothing but contempt for Wittgenstein's mysticism in his early phase though, and completely distanced himself from the older Wittgenstein, claiming he was not doing any real philosophy anymore. Wittgenstein's mysticism also has nothing to do with curiosity. Similar to Heidegger (INFJ) he seems to be longing to be a part of a society/culture/community where each thing has its place, value and meaning; preferably not on the basis of logic and science which they deem to suck everything that is interesting out of things. That it took Wittgenstein time, like it did Heidegger, to become completely mystical is probably because no one would have listened to an unproven, young philosopher who did not show proficiency at normal reasoning.A Ti-Ne philosopher can easily be fascinated with what can't be explained by Ti. That is Ne curiosity, but Ti dominance gave him very high standards of logical precision with regards to explanations. If anything, that he became more comfortable with approaching the mystical in later life - is a sign of not being naturally inclined to dealing with Feeling topics. It's interesting the more external evidence people are putting forth of him being an FJ. That he wore the same clothes? Fe is in tune with one's own image that they are projecting to others. He was not.His early philosophy is heavy on logic and contains select insights that rattled many philosophy departments, and gave him some standing, but in his later period he becomes more of a "prophet"/"shaman"/"mystic" type. This is a similar development to Heidegger's and they also both have many opinions and values in common if you look past their difference in style. In Wittgensten's EARLY PHILOSOPHY Wittgenstein basically proposes that words either correspond to empirical descriptions ("that door is blue"), or they don't. If they do, you are talking sense; if they do not, your talking is breaking the rules of a kind of hidden grammar, and it's all nonsense. This leads to the conclusion that all the most important things in life (moral, ethics, meaning, etc.) can't be discussed in words or logic. Discovering a beautiful work of art or doing the right thing is a sort of mystical, emotional experience which can never be put in words, logic or justified (Ni+Fe). This spiritual insight was to Wittgenstein the most important part while his supporters, like Bertrand Russell (ENTP) and the logical-positivists, only stripped his work for its logical insights. In his LATER PHILOSOPHY Wittgenstein realizes language is more complicated than he thought. For example if you give someone the finger (the insult), specifically what empirical description are you referring to? The way I understand the later Wittgenstein, everything already makes sense as it is. There is no philosophy or logic that will ever explain anything. When you start picking at words, doing philosophy, you rather become "sick". The cure is to create simple, carefully thought out examples that show how stupid what you were doing was. For example Descartes says, "I think, therefore I am." Wittgenstein would counter, "For those words to make sense, wouldn't you already have to be a part of a community of speakers who have determined the meaning of those words? Did you ever really doubt that you existed then, Mr. Descartes?" His later philosophy then is a kind of anti-philosophy. The philosophy community often tries to make Wittgenstein into an INTP, emphasizing his logical work, but as we've seen - the general orientation of his philosophy is always strongly tuned towards the mystical (INFJ).I confess I don't understand his philosophy to comment on it, but his life was really interesting. He was one of the richest people in Austria by inheritance but he gave it all away, similar with Tolstoy.Sure, INTPs aren't particuraly materialistic, but his decision screams idealistic above anything else.He also renounced academics to teach children and had an almost exaggerated high opinion on the ''common man'' (similar opinions of the ''common people'' had Dostoyevski or Heidegger). In WWI he was often rewarded for bravery, yet lived more than a year in the Norwegian fjords, presuambly for spiritual reasons. So while in his work he seemed to favor Logic over Feeling, his personal life decisions were far more ''irrational'' and denote a preference for Feeling.Also note to similarities with Tolstoy, Dostoyevski or Heidegger.One of the most clear cut INFJs i have ever come across. I - Spent a year or two of his life in the middle of nowhere in the Norwegian fjords on his own. Pretty self-evident that no extrovert would do that. N - Obsessed with the bigger logical picture, little concern for detail work philosophically as his overriding goal in his work was to outline where all philosophical problems stem from and to develop a set of broad principles on which philosophical questions can be addressed. Typically N-ish concern for the bigger picture. F - Largely influenced by his emotions in his day-to-day life, there are entries in his diary where he talks at length about contemplating suicide and his need for religious faith to avoid an existential crisis. J - Obsessed with both self-discipline and disciplining others. Lived according to a strict routine. Wore the same clothes and ate the exact same meals every day for years on end.I have rather rudimentary knowledge of Wittgenstein so I'm not entering the debate but @TooEasyToSignUp I don't think what you posted was painfully false, in fact you make some good points. The only thing I'd directly dispute (albeit only having basic knowledge of Witt himself) is this: "According to this view a person with Ni and Ti together most potent is either an INTJ with low self-esteem or an INTP with monomania." Actually the way I interpret it is an INTJ with low self-esteem is an INTJ with low self-esteem and an INTP with monomania is an INTP with monomania. Those traits don't directly change the cognitive functions. A person with Ni and Ti together is either a Ni-Ti looped INFJ or a Ti-Ni looped ISTP.I understand that the falsity of what I've posted before can be so painfully clear to the more knowledgeable it doesn't warrant a reply, but could someone please explain it as it isn't to me that clear? Thanks.*come out of discussing the points Ive made.*come out of discussing the points Ive made.Actually I'd like to hear what others have to say about my last comment, not because I'm so sure of myself but because I was hoping something intetrsting would come out of the discussion. Sorry I haven't had a good enough look into Bohr's personality yetTooEasyToSignUp, what do you think about Neils Bohr? I gave up cause everyone's convinced he's an INFJ as well for similar reasoning.*and likely didn't contribute etcHarps from a single, intense point of view without any attempt to make a rational argument. Holism is related mostly to NFJ type philosophy which fits well.Also, atleast in my opinion, most of Witt's philosophy has that holistic feature of an INFJ, the Ni-Fe-Ti. I've been over this on other similar discussions too, Witt is very different in his approAch and eventual philosophy if contrasted with NTPs like Popper and Russell.Ti is by default robust clarifying function. Even in its abstract nature, it looks for principles and laws as opposed to Ni which envisions and proclaims what it see as an undeniable truth. Ni doesn't value clarity for others as things make complete sense in their psyche. Witt has a very singular and intense take on his ideas while Ne is more flexible and nimble.Now that I think of it aren't lines of reasoning offered by Ti-dom's hard to follow (when not a thousand percent worked out)? And wouldn't the use of Ne make you appear like you're connecting things too far apart to be rationally connected? We need to be more clear with words like "logical" and "rational."Its hard to see Ne against Ni and Te against Ti for Wittgenstein. And frankly I don't see him to be a schizoid altogether albeit he did have some properties. Also I can't see Tractus as anything other than a work of an Ni-dom. And according to Russell, Wittgenstein grew more and more tired of absolute rational thinking with the passing years. Witt is anything but a Ti-dom, he does use Ti but an NTP wouldn't be so removed from logic as he was in his personal preference. Ofcourse his profession required him to be proficient in logic like any one else would be but his personal inclination was far from it. I suspect most INFJ philosophers would be like him as they are.Though come to think of it could mean his position at the time was closest to his temperament. But that in turn leaves open the possibility of INTJ or INTP with "J parenting." I don't know! :PThe contrast between Russell (Ti) and Wittgenstein (Ni) on "the rhinoceros in the room" is a pretty good philosophical divide between NTPs and NFJs.The contrast between Russell (Ti) and Wittgenstein (Ni) on "the rhinoceros in the room" is a pretty good philosophical divide between NTPs and NFJs.Just to dive in using purely cognitive functions as types related to mental working and not mental content. If an INTP and INFJ philosopher have similar content, the way to differentiate between the two would be to look at how their mental functions manifest into their ideas. For an INFJ the idea would be more or less like a proclaimed vision or a statement with little effort to prove it rationally and yielding a single forceful point of view. It has an air of mystique around it no matter how simple the idea is. An INTP would present the idea as a principle showing its veracity through different viewpoints and facts. An INTP would point to logical structure of his/her argument and would put alot of effort fool proofing the idea from inconsistency, making it scientific.As a student of philosophy with an interest in C.G. Jung I can say that Wittgenstein is an iNtuitive dominant in his philosophical viewpoints and quite an emotional one too but someone who struggles to elaborate his view easily. On the contrary most INTP philosophers are pretty verbose and very clear about their philosophies. I vote INFJ.Just to clarify - I wasn't saying INTP because schizoid. I was just speaking about a certain type of people, a subset within the greater schizoid set, which may or may not even be Wittgenstein. I do think that there's a silly pseudoscience which tries to explain mental disorders through functions, and I don't attempt to be part of this.Shahenshah--Si can be rather potent in some INTPs (e.g. Kant, Ben Stein, Descartes). This will often give them a "J" quality, but the obviousness of their Ti and Ne/Si makes it easier to type them as INTP. Ne is also a dialogue driven function. Ni/Se may actually use more visuals to communicate than Ne/Si (look at some movies by Ni-Dom directors). That's not to say that Ni doesn't or can't prize dialogue, but that point is far from perfect.Two day absence between the harmless Wittgenstein comment I made and now. Seems like we've been having fun. So where to begin.... Scotty, my dear friend! Obviously I agree with you, but you're guilty of an ecological fallacy. It's true that most schizoid are INTP, but we can't assume that Wittgenstein is an INTP because of this. However, I believe you're right to note the correlation.PS: you give these schizoids MBTI tests and they end up as INTP guaranteed.That's all a matter of perspective - whether or not you are a true believer in the function model and your ability to differentiate between Ni and Ne. There is a "schizoid" personality which results from Ti and an intuitive approach disconnecting the person from people. In the end it is a matter of personal interpretation whether or not you consider this "INFJ with Ni-Ti loop" or "INTP with overactive Ti". There's 16 different MBTI personality types and this hypothetical schizoid is unhealthy and doesn't fit any model perfectly. Think of 16 different buckets each representing a personality type, and the question which personality bucket do we place them in? In my opinion, they should be classified as P because this schizoid doesn't show "judging" behaviors, and it clearly is the T function which is overactive. They also fit well in the INTP category due to the concept of "inferior Fe". To an outside observer they most represent an extreme INTP rather than what a typical INFJ acts like, because they go to Ti before anything else. Personally I see classifying these people as INFJ as extremely counter-intuitive. Unless of course these schizoids were shown scientifically to show more in common with INFJs. But there is no such science to indicate that and it seems silly to label them as such.You must listen to the stereotyped descriptions of the types that I've seen on the internet. What are you expecting? Flower power or something.You're a very misinformed person.If you prefer using thinking functions over feeling functions, then you're no longer an INFJ, no?And the Ni-Ti loop usually happens with INFJs who have a hard time dealing with people and so become especially withdrawn and Schizoid. They're seen as especially unhealthy because they're not using any extraverted functions much which are necessary to use to stay sane in the long run.Plato and Aristotle did not have simplistic philosophies, in fact they were incredibly complex and interwoven.This "he has Ni" argument never really made any sense to me because Ni and Ne are near impossible to differentiate between in intuitive introverts. "Self-evident truths" is not Fe. INTPs tend to have difficulty explaining Ti reasoning because their internal logical understanding is so complex and then express what they imagine to be obvious but isn't at all. INTJs and INFJs tend to be a lot more clear and focused because their judging is extroverted. In the subject of philosophy, Te and Fe is much easier to understand. Look at Aristotle and Plato for example, who I see as strong examples of Te and Fe. Critics will say they are simplistic and short-sighted but their ideas are quite easy to understand because Te and Fe is more conventional rather than complex personal judgment. It seems this guy is stuck in Ti mode, bringing what he feels is rationality to everything. Personally the "Ni loop" is too often used as reasoning for philosophers as J types when it's INxP who tend to be the most "chaotic" space cadet types to outside viewers. See my comments on Nietzsche.Again I'm open to different ideas and would like to hear an argument in favour of INTP but as I've seen there is a disagreement on what can be used to identify the "cognitive" functions, it would be helpful to dish out what you think is Ni, Ne, Ti etc. ThanksHe is also known to be very intense and confident in his ideas but struggled to put them in rational principles ir systems. But most accounts of him portray him to be quite friendly, sympathetic and sensitive but atleast one account puts him as a Schizoid.Wittgenstein is a peculiar case of what we call an unhealthy INFJ with Ni-Ti loop. That said he still had plenty of Fe too. If one reads his book you'll find alot of proclamations and statements put out to be self evident instead of reasonings as to why they hold ground. Ne is expansive and Ni is like a singularity of a black hole. For Wittgenstein everything was connected and was basis for a singular understanding. Look at his interesting relation with an NTP Bertrand Russell. Both admired each other but Russell was critical of Wittgenstein's over indulgence with the metaphysics and put more emphasis on the logical rational truth while Wittgenstein found that Russell was unnecessarily dismissive of the sublime, metaphysical inquiry of knowledge. I believe Witt to be an INFJ or at least an Ni-Dom.INFJs very much like to measure each word.If you're looking for efficiency look to Te."Often the meetings consisted mainly of dialogue." which INFJs being a focused (Ni/Se) Fe type prefer more than anything. "Sometimes, however, when he was trying to draw a thought out of himself, he would prohibit, with a peremptory motion of the hand, any questions or remarks." His Fe was still above his Ti so he needed still quietness from others. "During these silences, Wittgenstein was extremely tense and active. His gaze was concentrated; his face was alive; his hands made arresting movements; his expression was stern." Again inferior Se.The Ne is the intuition which is used to come up with logical ideas which are carefully chosen by Ti. And Pi's are efficient in making decisions, forming conclusions, etc due to their dominant or auxiliary extroverted judgment, which is why they're called judgers.Okay let's try this again. Where's the Ne?*Ni are seen as more efficient (dunno why I said critical)Axis, shmaxis. INTPs generally don't show Si and shouldn't be expected to do so. Now a very dominant Ti would lead to very careful and calculated output which may appear to contradict the idea of Ne on the surface, but INFP and INTP are even more introverted than their J counterparts because of the Ji. Ni are seen as more critical or when things go bad decisive, and reckless, because the don't have that Ji-dom.That quote sounds like how an INTP would react, lost in their head. An INFJ would maybe be more focused on the people there. But I don't see a quote like that as revelatory of any typing.Because it's on the same axis as Ne. That's why I put Ne/Si as in the axis.And since when do INTPs show "Si" anyway?"Often the meetings consisted mainly of dialogue. Sometimes, however, when he was trying to draw a thought out of himself, he would prohibit, with a peremptory motion of the hand, any questions or remarks. There were frequent and prolonged periods of silence, with only an occasional mutter from Wittgenstein, and the stillest attention from the others. During these silences, Wittgenstein was extremely tense and active. His gaze was concentrated; his face was alive; his hands made arresting movements; his expression was stern. One knew that one was in the presence of extreme seriousness, absorption, and force of intellect" - Norman MalcolmIf you read from other's views of him in their meetings you can see INFJ. Where's the Ne/Si?Actually on second thought, INTP does seem the best.I'm not familiar enough with him to really put a vote in, but where's the Fe? To be honest he looks more like an INFP from what I'm reading.INTP. Yep. Let's forget any argument I could make and just appreciate the fun of a (as of now) lone dissenter.Ni and Ti. Show me Te or Ne in his work. Clear INFJ with Ni-Ti loop. So not an INTJ or INTP. His animated anger points to inferior Se.

The guy is even more INFJ than Plato.

Intuition in human form

...as in not INFJ, just like Plato?

Of course you get a pretty clear I-N-T-P and he gets typed as INFJ... yay function magic

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scotty, are you trying to sound retarded?

you got a clear Ni-Fe-Ti-Se and some retarded will type him INTP. yay letter bullshit...

If he weren’t INTP he’d be INTJ but there’s simply nothing F or mbti Fe about him. Also you conveniently redefine functions when it suits you. How can you reconcile people so perceiverish like Witt and Sartre as the same function type as Hegel? 

His personal biography makes him seem very infj:apology of religious sentiment despite strongly logical,  spiritual feelings and monk-like lifestyle, obsessed and burdened by perfectionism.   But i don't know much about his philosophy yet to say what that's like. I don't believe you can accurately type someone based on their philosophy anyway,  the things you end up thinking according to your educational background,teachers, etc show that sometimes functions don't work in typing a person's by their philosophy. For example hegel has a strong grasp on Ti, but he is intj. If you are philosophically trained enough the line between types start to blur so even if witt philosophy seems like intp, i don't think one can type him accurately through it.