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Hillary Clinton

MBTI enneagram type of Hillary Clinton Realm:
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TOTAL MBTI VOTES: 68


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  • Posted on: 2018-02-02 11:21:22

    soseductive

     

    What type is the most annoying? She is probably that one.


    • Posted on: 2018-02-02 11:24:28

      soseductive

       

      Well, maybe the word "whiny" is the more accurate description of her.


    • Posted on: 2018-02-02 11:34:17

      Khel

       

      I wonder who else is whiny rn

       


  • Posted on: 2017-12-12 20:10:11

    DerekTheCleric

     

    If Hillary Clinton were xSTJ, I would think she would be ISTJ. I don't get any extroversion from her during the 2016 campaign. She looked more extroverted in the 90s, but we've seen more of her now. Regardless, she's clearly an N if you look at her at all before she entered politics. I think she's an INTJ who forces any E and S qualities you might see to succeed in politics.

    I wonder, what do people think a very disingenuous xNTJ would look like if NOT like Hillary? SJs come off as folksy, traditional, and down-to-earth. People opposed to Hillary Clinton more often portray her as scheming and Machiavellian than they do simple and unsophisticated. I would think that her elaborate, morally and legaly dubious plans like taking over the DNC, covertly funding Fusion GPS investigations into Trump/Russia collusion, keeping a private email server and deleting emails that presumably contained shady info., etc. is perfectly in line with a stereotypical INTJ villain. You can point to superfluous things like "she ran a relatively traditional campaign" or "her political views are pretty normal" to say that she exhibits SJ qualities, but the fact is throughout her career she has been oriented towards trying to change as much as possible. Like her or not, Hillary Clinton is not much of a paper-pusher. The way she communicates is very N too. She is one of the politicians who (in debates and interviews, not in speeches) seems the most focused on how a particular discussion is framed.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-12 20:28:37

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Good examples of SJs in the recent world of politics are George H. W. Bush, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chafee, Jim Gilmore, Mike Pence, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Barbara Bush, Michelle Obama, Darrell Castle, etc. They don't look anything like Hillary Clinton. I also think it's uncommon for SJs to go all that far outside of their traditional role, and, with her being a woman growing up in the 1950's in a very conservative family, her role would certainly not have included the presidency.


  • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:31:23

    DiamondDust

     

    Here is why she is Ni 7th function:

    Hillary is a smart women.

    Ignored the clickbait title. She doesn't really believe what she is saying. If she takes too seriously, she is a whacko. But she can't accept that is she is at fault for losing. She is saying, "Yes its my fault. But others are more to blame."

    She is playing the idea of Russian influencing the election. She doesn't want to explicit I believe it w/o losing any less recognition. At the same time she can't say, "Yeah I lost. Trump was better than me. It something mysterious......"

    Also the website keeps changing my vote back in forth. They need to fix that.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-06 04:05:18

      DerekTheCleric

       

      You're getting too political, but let me just say that this is the first election where I have ever heard it described as the loser's "fault" for losing. It's just a weird and pointless thing to say. "Trump was better than me" would be a downright bizzarre thing to say.

      And I still don't see how anything you're saying corresponds to her type.

      Let me also point out that - and I'm trying to avoid being political - Hillary Clinton's analytical tendencies, strategies, and ideas found staunch defenders in people from weird, ideologically different corners - Henry Kissinger, Paul Krugrman, George Soros, Barack Obama, Bill Weld - people who are almost universally agreed to be xNTx. I personally feel that her lack of genuineness, ideological purity, and perceived unethical and ruthless tendencies were primarily criticized by Ss and Fs. That's certainly not a conclusive or foolproof argument, but it's another point in favor of her being NT, NTs who know her tend to like her.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-06 04:12:31

      DerekTheCleric

       

      I see some of your earlier responses. You actually don't get campaigning that well. TV ads are still very useful; Trump used them as well. I didn't realized you meant Congress supported her; Congress was actually Republican-controlled, so most congressmen did not endorse her.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-06 04:22:13

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Here, if you can't see Ni in Hillary, you might be too focused on her recent image. She much more openly exhibits N-tendencies in this 1979 interview:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1499&v=LMIoYihU7VU


    • Posted on: 2017-12-06 04:23:51

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Sorry, I didn't embed it the first time.

      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LMIoYihU7VU" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>


    • Posted on: 2017-12-06 04:24:56

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Bah! Sorry.


  • Posted on: 2017-12-05 00:45:16

    DiamondDust

     

    Ti is my 5th function. Because the fact I have to reason every single point is annyoing and meticulus to me(Ti). It's funny strawberry that you try to project me: "That xNTJ is this very emotionless know it all. But DD reasoning and acting doesn't match xNTJ. He is acting more like an xNFP than me based on his own comment." Hardy har har! The irony is that you are ENFP to boot. You try so hard to understand human sociology, and reasoning so much. But it's only your secondary trait(aux Fi tert Te). You are so fixiated with data(Si). I'd say if the data doesn't fit, then disregard it until further notice. My opinion. Anyway enough about me. Back to Hillary.

    She is ESTJ. Te-dom she calls the shot. Si auxiliary, she project herself as someone who believe and support the congress. Tert Ne, she has her own, philosophy view that was guided with questionable characters. Inferior Fi, she support things she actually says both on or off campaign. But she twisted it to achieve it.

    And I am not going to read a biography book. Others forms of vid documentary, liver interview are suffice.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 00:56:00

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Elaborate on the Si part. "Believe in and  support the congress" could be true for anyone; and even then I don't know to what exactly you are refferring with regard to Hillary.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 00:58:14

      DerekTheCleric

       

      She's certainly much more intellectual than the average secondary Si user.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:06:53

      DiamondDust

       

      Seriously? Did you not see the 2016 election? Every one in the congress and the social media was all supporting Hillary. The DNC and RNC. The media states she has 95% chance. She didn't bother going campaigning some other states in the final days. She also use $1,2 billion during the campaign. To her she this as an absolute winning. What other things she needs to lack faith there of?

      Show me she is inferior Se or tertiary Se. Where is it? She is Si everywhere. Her campaign is based on the 1990s. Not the current era. If you have Se you will realize, nowadays tv is not needed for campaign. The internet will suffice. You don't need the news for your daily news. You can just go on the internet. She thought hey if I make some live twitter, maybe I am hip and hop too(Ne tertiary). Donald Trump sees twitter is a the new platau of social media, it can allow him to bypass the newsmedia (strong Se mofo), where is Hillary Se? Or how come her magical Ni cannot picked up on that.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:07:22

      DiamondDust

       

      And still lost to an orange baboon. How does it feel?


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:17:32

      strawberry crisis

       

      Ti is my 5th function. Because the fact I have to reason every single point is annyoing and meticulus to me(Ti). It's funny strawberry that you try to project me: "That xNTJ is this very emotionless know it all. But DD reasoning and acting doesn't match xNTJ. He is acting more like an xNFP than me based on his own comment." Hardy har har! The irony is that you are ENFP to boot. You try so hard to understand human sociology, and reasoning so much. But it's only your secondary trait(aux Fi tert Te). You are so fixiated with data(Si). I'd say if the data doesn't fit, then disregard it until further notice. 

      Again, you've turned this into a matter of ability rather than preference, and you're projecting the extent of my knowledgeability about sociology through a function model.

      And here's what Beebe had to say about trickster Ti: 

      • May impose their ideas about the models and principles they’ve adopted, categorizing everything simplistically and robotically following the principles.

      hmm!!


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:25:13

      DiamondDust

       

      Are you blind? Did you not read your own post "double bound"? This mean ENFP feels conflicted. Although they respect (tertiary Te), they felt it too conflicted (trickster Ti). So in order to stress relieve they make a light jester out of it. Just like what you are doing it now!!!!!!!!The statement you just proposed is self-evidence!!!


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:29:33

      strawberry crisis

       

      You're projecting something onto me that doesn't exist lol


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:39:44

      DiamondDust

       

      It doesn't matter. Hillary is ESTJ and that is final. My opinion.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:50:55

      strawberry crisis

       

      For this? 

      She is ESTJ. Te-dom she calls the shot. Si auxiliary, she project herself as someone who believe and support the congress. Tert Ne, she has her own, philosophy view that was guided with questionable characters. Inferior Fi, she support things she actually says both on or off campaign. But she twisted it to achieve it.

      You’ve actually made a better argument for ENTJ than ESTJ here since your reasoning for Ne would indicate N while your reasoning for Si doesn’t indicate S


  • Posted on: 2017-12-04 19:58:40

    DerekTheCleric

     

    43 people have voted ESTJ, and not a single one of them has argued why. Not everyone you dislike is an S. Read Carl Bernstein's biography of her; it's a pretty solid portrait of an xNTJ.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 21:34:25

      DiamondDust

       

      I think she is ESTJ.

      To me Hillary Clinton is a stress out ESTJ. Her 7th function is Ni. To deal her ego she makes herself look Ni-dom.

      "Ni as trickster shadows Ne as child. Imaginativeness using multiple possibilities is a playful, childlike endeavor. If this is intimidated, the person will then try to bind the other person with negative premonitions of what will happen. They may act as if it is inevitable or as good as having occurred already, and become very childish."

      Read the book "What Happened." Or her recent interview. She acts like she knows the exact reason she lost the election by pointing multiple factors and weird analogy "like covering up the Pearl Harbor"(she doesn't real know why she lost). 7th function Ni.

      When ENTJ(along ENFJ) stressed 7th function Si appears "Lol you still bring this old stuff. Move on its current year. I am not a cyber bully lol." They make this remark to protect themselve.

      Here an example of ExFP stressed 7th function Ti appears "lol you still used that mumbo jumbo function magic of yours lol"

      INTP 7th function Se "lol look at this guy trying to be. It is so funny."

      The 7th function either direct at others or themselves to give a sense of relief. If Hillary Clinton knows exactly why she lost. She feels in control.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 21:48:28

      DiamondDust

       

      Another reason why she isn't Ni, because she wants to be a novelty(the first female US president). She wants to break the glass ceiling. Novelty is more correlated to Ne rather Ni.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 21:55:05

      DiamondDust

       

      Ni will be more like Donald Trump. (Ni inferior btw) He thinks he should be president, because he thinks he can. Ni focus only based on current surrounding (Se). Ne focus on alternate possibilty based on already developed/accepted concept/criterion. (Si)

      Hillary Clinton already build her career as a lawyer, senate, secretary. So it's possible for her to be president and being secretary of defense its safe to assume she knows best of USA(Si). Donald Trump think he should be president, because he thinks these are what is actually is missing in USA and the congress is ignoring(Se).


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 22:32:43

      strawberry crisis

       

      This is probably a prime example of distorting unrelated theories to suit a particular narrative that's meant to translate to something that doesn't suit what you believe it is meant to suit. John Beebe may have made 16 "archetypes" that happen to share the same names of Myers and Briggs' 16 personality types but don't be deceived; they're actually radically different.

      Read the book "What Happened." Or her recent interview. She acts like she knows the exact reason she lost the election by pointing multiple factors and weird analogy "like covering up the Pearl Harbor"(she doesn't real know why she lost). 7th function Ni.

      You inserted your own opinion about why she lost and used it to guide an idea you created of her having no clue about why she really lost, turning this theory not into a matter of preference, but a matter of ability. Ask yourself: is Myers-Briggs really meant to measure "cognitive ability"? 

      It's fascinating to me that you're justifying an ESTJ typing by referring to a "7th function" in a completely different model and don't explain its actual manifestation well at all, instead using shaky, meaningless and cherrypicked examples in an effort to explain it. 

      When ENTJ(along ENFJ) stressed 7th function Si appears "Lol you still bring this old stuff. Move on its current year. I am not a cyber bully lol." They make this remark to protect themselve.

      So ENxJs "protect themselves" by insisting on removing weight on past mistakes? Fascinating—so if I score "extraversion," "intuition," and "judging" on the official Myers-Briggs test, I will necessarily do this? 

      Here an example of ExFP stressed 7th function Ti appears "lol you still used that mumbo jumbo function magic of yours lol"

      Not only is this hilariously reductionistic of my actual view on function theory but it's also simplifying Beebe's explanation of it to terms where I'm unable to actually pull the concept of a "trickster function" out of what you're trying to articulate. So here's the most detailed description of trickster Ti I could find:

      ExFP's: All this archetype stuff ("puers trigger witches", etc. logical frameworks) is just excuses for bad behavior (I actually had one say this to me!):

      HA! Got you! You're trying to bind me [I feel confused or lost with technical variables and project it onto you] so I'm going to bind you with individually understood technical details.

      • Feels confused or lost with technical variables and projects it onto others.
      • ExFP’s Might feel ‘double-bound’ by variable logical principles and use them to trap others or be silly.
      • May make statements or believe in ideas that are contradictory and illogical and project this on others.
      • Caught up in pointing out others’ inconsistencies, with a dogmatic tendency to adhere to one principle rather than seeing its distinctions.
      • May impose their ideas about the models and principles they’ve adopted, categorizing everything simplistically and robotically following the principles.
      • Criticizes others for not articulating their operating principles.
      • Accuses others of being stuck in the models and frameworks they have learned or adapted.
      • May become lost and confused when trying to analyze why things work and may project this onto others.

      I find this super funny, DiamondDust, because I feel like you've exhibited signs of these points much more than I have, fitting your own worldview into these models that simply don't reflect what MBTI types are in order to type people using MBTI. It's absolutely wacky, too, considering you're supposed to be an xNTJ, not an ExFP. But of course I can easily justify an ExFP typing for you by using "trickster Ti" to describe your "cognitive thought process." Can you see the absurdity of trying to type Hillary an ESTJ through your ill-explained idea of a trickster function? 

      Another reason why she isn't Ni, because she wants to be a novelty(the first female US president). She wants to break the glass ceiling. Novelty is more correlated to Ne rather Ni.

      No, novelty is just correlated to "N," and in fact is how "N" is generally defined ("I am interested in doing things that are new and different." —taken from the Myers-Briggs website). But you've not only applied the idea of "novelty" in the funniest way here but you're also explaining how "novelty," an intuitive concept, is supposed to justify her being a sensor. 


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 23:12:47

      DerekTheCleric

       

      DiamondDust:

      Wow. I don't know what I expected, but that wasn't it.

      I really don't think you grasp the Bebe model. So far as I understand the trickster function really wouldn't often be confused for the dominant function. Why do you think her Te and Si are so strong?

      There are so many reasons for why Hillary Clinton would want to break the glass ceilling that I'm just going to ignore that.

      I guess I get what you're saying at the end. Hillary Clinton's "experience" argument reflects SJ (Si function) values, but that really just seems like a better campaign tactic than "vote for me because I am smart enough to know what's wrong America." We should focus most on Hillary when she's NOT campaigning, because she is likely to be most genuine then.

      And finally, Hillary was Secretary of State not Secretary of Defense.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 23:16:00

      DerekTheCleric

       

      *Beebe


  • Posted on: 2017-12-03 07:24:37

    Nyx

     

    Based off of her book, INFJ, she clearly saw the evils in our country and tried to defend us from them.  A tragic end to a selfless hero.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-03 12:48:47

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       

      lol


  • Posted on: 2017-12-02 00:17:03

    strawberry crisis

     

    PikupyourpantspatrolHC is an ESTJ, her inability to connect with people doesn't make her an INTJ and being educated doesn't make you N. All of these politicians are well-educated. Mitt Romney is ESTJ too, he can't connect with people either. Clinton is a 3, not a 5. I mean ffs. The lady adjusts her views in order to fit in. An INTJ wouldn't do that, they'd be much more of a visionary. A 5 wouldn't rely so heavily on slander and lash out at people for losing.

    I feel like if I typed Hillary by how she seemed at face value I'd also arrive at something like xSTJ 3 but there is more to her background that I believe you're overlooking. I don't think her being educated makes her intuitive either but looking into her as a person, she seems to have a definite ideational slant that I think she obscured during her presidential campaign. 

    I don't really imagine someone sensing-leaning writing these:
    https://www.wellesley.edu/events/commencement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech
    https://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/documents/HillaryClintonThesis.pdf

    I do believe she has a strong 3 side but I don't believe it's her core type simply because she doesn't strike me as someone who lives their life to be recognized and valued or have an essential fear rooted in worthlessness. If anything, she seems to have somewhat of a drive to correct others' ways of doing things, but she's definitely malleable in this regard and I would agree she isn't really consistent enough to be a type 1. She has somewhat of a 1-like attitude but she doesn't seem to be truly driven by actual 1-related motivations—at least not enough for it to be her core type. She honestly seems to be a type 5 pretending to be a 1 who comes off as a 3, but I would guess all three of those are in her tritype. She might be: 5w6 1w2 3w2 

    "A 5 wouldn't rely so heavily on slander and lash out at people for losing."

    And under the assumption she does this, why is it something 5s couldn't heavily rely on?


    • Posted on: 2017-12-02 14:13:05

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Of course being educated doesn't make you an N (although I am not 100% sold that Mitt Romney is an ESTJ either; I really don't know enough and what I have seen could go either way). But if you read about Hillary Clinton in her youth she was very interested in developing her own political philosophy (those are great picks for documents showing that). No one has ever said that Hillary changes her views "to fit in", even if Hillary Clinton might change her statements in order to win. Finally, if you consider Hillary Clinton to be cruel in campaigning, all that indicates is "T", which I'm pretty sure everyone already agrees on.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-04 23:14:51

      strawberry crisis

       

      Pikupyourpantspatrol: 2. N has to do with being more abstract than concrete and more idea-oriented. That's it.

      http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/sensing-or-intuition.htm
      It's there

      3. An NJ being more interested in novelty than an SP is just hilarious. Whether you go by functions or letters. I don't see why N would make you more into novelty, at all. Js care more about things being the same. Ps don't. If we're gonna use letters.

      Again, it's here: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/sensing-or-intuition.htm

      You're not wrong about J being less novel than P though, which is why openness in Big 5 is strongly N and P together, but the actual idea of "novelty" doesn't inherently describe perceiving even though there's a decent overlap; seeking out new and original ways to do things is not perceiving related, it's how intuition is defined.

      4. A 5 cares about intellectual honesty and finding truth. HC will do and say anything in order to win, very 3 like.

      I agree with this but I think her 3 side is more situational and inspired by her wanting to achieve her goal of being president. I think if she at her core sought to achieve and be valued, we'd still see such an attitude even now that's she's not in the running. I don't think her wanting to be president would make her exclusively 3 like that and I think she has a bigger 5 side than a 3 side. We'll never really know since she's a politician and a fairly private one at that, but I don't see her as a 3 for reasons I've explained before.

      5. She looks xSTJ 3 cause she is.

      I don't think she even really looks particularly xSTJ 3, though. You can really only make out TJ from her on stage and guess 3 because she's a politician but I don't think her first two letters are obvious, and for good reason when you consider electability.

      6. Wouldn't all presidential candidates be idealistic? Again, not really an N thing.

      Ideational, not idealistic. She doesn't seem like someone caught up in explaining facts and details for what they are rather than someone who would be more willing to extrapolate and theorize based on her written work—this is an N thing, unlike being "idealistic" which could mean anything depending on context.

      7. They prepare their speeches, it has to convince people, ofc it will sound like that. 

      Writing out something long and preparing it doesn't make it sound intuitive—the content is how you'd judge it. I don't really feel "sensing" based on what she's written.

      8. Like I said her opinions change with the times. Does that sound xNTJ 5 or xSTJ 3 to you?

      It doesn't really sound like anything to me. Everyone's opinions are subject to changing, but judging exactly how much her actual opinions are changing isn't an easy thing to gauge considering she's wearing a public mask. You could call it 3, but it would be political suicide to expose your true views on everything. It's fair to type her 3 for it but I don't think it really represents who she actually is.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-05 01:10:06

      strawberry crisis

       

      1. Ik it says that but if you type by functions or actually observe these types that's not how it is. So I'll go with what's been demonstrated to be true.


      This is strange—so you yourself redefined what "intuition" and "sensing" means in MBTI terms to suit something it means to you personally? If there’s an inconsistency between what your functions are saying and what MBTI actually is, then the functions cannot determine an MBTI type accurately. Yes?


      2. These are self-assessments and the way you're describing it implies Ns can't not be open. Can you logically tell me why N would have to do with openness? It's also contradictory since it also says they think through things more. Wouldn't that lead to being more cautious and less open to a degree?


      While intuition is certainly “abstract,” it’s not really describing solely abstractness in the philosophical vs concrete sense but it’s more related to the idea of “meaning and significance” than “raw facts and details written out as is.” It’s about questioning, exploring possibilities, considering more in thought, and it demonstrates comfortability with things that aren’t “for sure.”


      "They think through things more" might be a context thing; it likely means thinking through more possibilities rather than acting in a way that would necessarily be cautious or restrained.


      Here is what openness to experience in Big 5 describes:


      Openness to Experience describes a dimension of cognitive style that distinguishes imaginative, creative people from down-to-earth, conventional people. Open people are intellectually curious, appreciative of art, and sensitive to beauty. They tend to be, compared to closed people, more aware of their feelings. They tend to think and act in individualistic and nonconforming ways. Intellectuals typically score high on Openness to Experience; consequently, this factor has also been called Culture or Intellect. Nonetheless, Intellect is probably best regarded as one aspect of openness to experience. Scores on Openness to Experience are only modestly related to years of education and scores on standard intelligent tests.


      Another characteristic of the open cognitive style is a facility for thinking in symbols and abstractions far removed from concrete experience. Depending on the individual's specific intellectual abilities, this symbolic cognition may take the form of mathematical, logical, or geometric thinking, artistic and metaphorical use of language, music composition or performance, or one of the many visual or performing arts. People with low scores on openness to experience tend to have narrow, common interests. They prefer the plain, straightforward, and obvious over the complex, ambiguous, and subtle. They may regard the arts and sciences with suspicion, regarding these endeavors as abstruse or of no practical use. Closed people prefer familiarity over novelty; they are conservative and resistant to change.


      Openness is often presented as healthier or more mature by psychologists, who are often themselves open to experience. However, open and closed styles of thinking are useful in different environments. The intellectual style of the open person may serve a professor well, but research has shown that closed thinking is related to superior job performance in police work, sales, and a number of service occupations.


      Low Openness to Experience


      Your score on Openness to Experience is low, indicating you like to think in plain and simple terms. Others describe you as down-to-earth, practical, and conservative.


       


      High Openness to Experience


      Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.


      Openness Facets



      • Imagination. To imaginative individuals, the real world is often too plain and ordinary. High scorers on this scale use fantasy as a way of creating a richer, more interesting world. Low scorers are on this scale are more oriented to facts than fantasy. Your level of imagination is $flev[13].

      • Artistic Interests. High scorers on this scale love beauty, both in art and in nature. They become easily involved and absorbed in artistic and natural events. They are not necessarily artistically trained nor talented, although many will be. The defining features of this scale are interest in, and appreciation of natural and artificial beauty. Low scorers lack aesthetic sensitivity and interest in the arts. Your level of artistic interests is $flev[14].

      • Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly. Your level of emotionality is $flev[15].

      • Adventurousness. High scorers on adventurousness are eager to try new activities, travel to foreign lands, and experience different things. They find familiarity and routine boring, and will take a new route home just because it is different. Low scorers tend to feel uncomfortable with change and prefer familiar routines. Your level of adventurousness is $flev[16].

      • Intellect. Intellect and artistic interests are the two most important, central aspects of openness to experience. High scorers on Intellect love to play with ideas. They are open-minded to new and unusual ideas, and like to debate intellectual issues. They enjoy riddles, puzzles, and brain teasers. Low scorers on Intellect prefer dealing with either people or things rather than ideas. They regard intellectual exercises as a waste of time. Intellect should not be equated with intelligence. Intellect is an intellectual style, not an intellectual ability, although high scorers on Intellect score slightly higher than low-Intellect individuals on standardized intelligence tests. Your level of intellect is $flev[17].

      • Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. Your level of liberalism is $flev[18].


      The idea of ideological exploration and exploring possibilities does tie into Big 5’s “openness to experience” based on this description; it’s about seeking new ways to do things, having varied interests, deviating from conventional activities, and exploring options. I went over and highlighted the more “N” related things in red, and the more “P” related things in blue. Please tell me if you disagree with anything I’ve highlighted. 


      3. I'm not saying she's 3 cause she's running for president. She acts very 3, 5 is there but not nearly as much. She does and says anything to win and she was so torn after losing she wrote a book about it blaming others. She reminds me of an unhealthy 3, unable to cope with loss


      Fair enough—I think you're totally justified in believing it. I feel like there's a 5 behind her persona while you think there's a 3 behind it and we'll never really know.


      4. Not the vibe I get from her. She doesn't speak like she writes anyways.


      I don't really see why speaking and writing should be any different when it's the same person behind them both 


      5. My point is it has to be inspiring, move people, convince them and promise change. So it's going to sound more N for that reason.


      I know what you mean but I still think it's a decent enough indicator of an actual preference for intuition. You're totally free to disagree.


      6. Sounds like 3 adaptability and SJ conformity. There's compromising your opinions and then there's not staying true to yourself. She seems to do the latter. Her opinions have changed radically over the years and that's the only explanation I can think of as to why.


      "Not staying true to yourself" isn't really a good indicator of sensing to me all. Compromising your opinions isn't related to intuition or sensing. Your argument for 3 is valid but again, I don't think it's because she's actually 3 but it's rather her adjusting to her climate.


  • Posted on: 2017-12-01 18:39:05

    DerekTheCleric

     

    Actually, neither E nor S make any sense to me whatsoever.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 19:07:04

      Teru Mikami

       

      maybe u should try function instead from letter bro HAHA owned like & share


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:15:03

      DerekTheCleric

       

      That's not really a very substantive response. Regardless, that should still apply to Ni vs. Si (although I am ideologically opposed to using cognitive functions to type as I think most of the conclusions people draw are superfluous). If you look at Hillary Clinton when she was in college and after the election, which I assume is her behaving more naturally than when campaigning, she looks very xNTJ.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:18:17

      DerekTheCleric

       

      And Hillary Clinton is very private and does not come off naturally in front of crowds, so INTJ.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:21:53

      strawberry crisis

       

      I agree, she's almost absolutely not an ESTJ. Hillary can't really be anything but an INTJ and I would guess she's most likely a 5w6, even though I've considered 3w2 in the past.


      I think she's direct, pragmatic, realistic, and a go-getter, but in no way does she show off those traits in a way that would suggest she's an extraverted sensor. Hillary is an academic at heart and awkwardly shapes herself to suit the character who she needs to be to win the presidential election: the to-be first female president of the United States.  But I don't really even think she's a 3 (she'd be wing 2 if she were, not wing 4) and feel like it's more "situational" for her than it is ingrained in her personality.


      Being a politician, Hillary knows how to act and plays a safe campaign because she is aware of how politics work and how nominees are elected; you may look at this as "Si" but this is exactly where function theory and types begin to disconnect from one another. Hillary is a very strong judger: she's disciplined, she knows the rules, and she looks at the world in a way that is "set" with conventions and the status-quo triumphing over new and radical ideas, but sensing would only come into play if she truly had a lack of consideration for such ideas and avoided them because of their intrinsic sense of absurdity rather than, perhaps, her looking at these ideas and deprioritizing them because she doesn't believe they'll be accepted by the world around her, something I'm inclined to believe she's more like.


      Hillary is a pragmatist but there’s no reason to believe she’s naturally oriented toward pragmatism in a way that “sensing” would necessarily behest rather than her just being logical, practical and aware of social boundaries like a introverted, thinking judger would be. Where I think sensors are naturally oriented toward realism and see stretching out into the ideational side of things second, intuitives see orient themselves toward ideas and think of pragmatism as a secondary trait, something I see Hillary having an easier time doing being both strongly “thinking” and “judging.”


      “I am not a natural politician, in case you haven’t noticed, like my husband or President Obama."


      Interpret it how you will, but I will assume she's being honest because she has demonstrated signs of discomfort as a politician to the point where I would even say she's not really made to be on stage—where other politicians live and own it, Hillary is a step removed from her audience and doesn't connect with them in a way which would suggest she’s inherently oriented towards the outer world. Have you ever noticed her natural gawkiness when public speaking? I see her as a cerebral, reticent, rehearsed, and even reserved personality forced onto the stage by her own drive and volition, and she therefore lacks a politician’s charisma.


      There are people out there who relish, live and learn about the world through engaging with it and being a part of it; this is something Hillary is certainly not. She’s bookish and internal, showing off herself to the world in a restricted fashion she puts herself into both as a consequence of the field she is working in and as a consequence of her personality. I think with her being introverted (and judging), this is something that comes to her more naturally than her competitors and makes her able to cope with her sphere’s demand for being “perfect.”


      Hillary Clinton really strikes me as an introverted intuitive ruled by her thinking and judging side to act in a way which would make her fit in the world of politics with the image of being a character resembling an “extraverted sensor.” I don’t think she’s particularly image-oriented at all but does have a strong sense of knowing what’s right (which isn’t overpowered by her detached, academic and information-gathering side — yes, I think she without a doubt has this when you consider how she’s built up her image). I really do think Hillary just may be a 5w6, and an INTJ.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:27:27

      DerekTheCleric

       

      I don't have a strong opinion of her enneagram type, but those are my thoughts exactly on the MBTI side.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:43:00

      Teru Mikami

       
      "Hillary is an academic at heart and awkwardly shapes herself to suit the character who she needs to be to win the presidential election"

      "I will assume she's being honest"

      "but does have a strong sense of knowing what’s right"

      I'm fucking wheezing you can't be serious


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 20:57:41

      strawberry crisis

       

      Why did you pull my words out of context? Regardless of your political opinions there’s nothing contradictory about what I said if you put those words back where they need to be to make sense


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 21:23:19

      Teru Mikami

       

      not saying it's contradictory, it's naive


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 21:24:59

      Teru Mikami

       

      and I think I'm pretty obviously joking about the first two


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 21:31:21

      strawberry crisis

       

      “Hillary Clinton” and “honest” together in the same sentence does seem to get ur alarm ringing regardless of the meaning around it undecided


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 21:31:50

      strawberry crisis

       

      Oh okay


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 22:24:55

      DerekTheCleric

       

      Teru Mikami:

      I'd be interested to see why you think ESTJ. Even the "killary" cartoon villain that people on the right and some on the far-left have created strikes me as an xNTJ. She's strategic, utilitarian, and pragmatic.


    • Posted on: 2017-12-01 23:23:30

      Teru Mikami

       

      I don't have an opinion on her type my man, I think everything about her post-2014 is too fake to be able to judge her and I can't stand her so I'm not gonna go looking into her personal life either


  • Posted on: 2017-09-25 19:13:33

    DiamondDust

     
    Based on her recent book "What Happen", she sounds like an unhealthy 1w2.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-27 08:14:43

      josephty1

       
      Writing about sexism doesn't make it easier to integrate to 7 or does it?