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INFJ vs ESTP

MBTI enneagram type of INFJ vs ESTP Realm:
Reality

Category:
Society and Culture

Part of:
the most thinking/rational

TOTAL MBTI VOTES: 65


INFJ - 40 vote(s)
ESTP - 25 vote(s)

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TOTAL ENNEA VOTES: 14


5W4 - 5 vote(s)
5W6 - 3 vote(s)
7W8 - 3 vote(s)
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  • Posted on: 2018-01-04 12:06:44

    mono

     
    Being reckless or impulsive doesn't signify being less logical.
    Being logical means you use logic a lot, while being calm and contained means you're being cautious and prone to be introvert.
    ESTPs use logic a lot more than INFJs, but their Ti serves Se, so it would be seem like a reckless behavior, but actually within the realm of logical reasoning.
    Ex. ESTPs would more likely to take an opportunistic move towards a business because of their nonchalance and ambition (Se) that they had calculated possible and that yielded good profit (Ti).
    INFJs would see the opportunity more slowly as they have to concern about their vision (Ni) and what affects others (Fe), and since their ethical function trumps logic (Fe over Ti), would end up not doing it.

    • Posted on: 2018-01-04 12:15:34

      mono

       

      However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too.  Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. 


    • Posted on: 2018-01-04 12:15:56

      mono

       

      However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too.  Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. 


    • Posted on: 2018-01-04 12:16:04

      mono

       

      However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too.  Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. 


  • Posted on: 2017-11-25 17:42:19

    mike ike

     

    kawaii after estp blows a kiss at a marten


  • Posted on: 2017-11-25 17:29:29

    All_in

     

    ESTP are more rational and down to earth of course. But in terms of intelligence, the ni-dom wins by far.


  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 20:28:28

    mars

     
    INFJ, the only feeling type more thinking than thinking types

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:52:17

    VenomousJourney36

     
    It's probably because Infjs make wiser decisions. But when it comes to solving problems at hand that requires quick thinking, I'd say Estps are more rational.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:53:11

      VenomousJourney36

       
      Shit.

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:52:12

    aerothon

     
    But who has auxiliary feeling? INFJ. Sensing/Thinking will always trump Intuition/Feeling when it comes to rationality. The only reasons INFJ is winning is because;

    1. Intuitive bias
    2. Introvert bias
    3. INFJ's are calmer thus seen as "more" rational
    4. INFJ's are more likely enneagram Fives (which is a solid reason but not enough to get my vote)

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:46:54

    Kawaii_tha_marten

     
    Actions that get you locked up tend to not be rational.

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:46:48

    VenomousJourney36

     
    It's probably because Infjs make wiser decisions. But when it comes to solving problems at hand that requires quick thinking, I'd say Estps are more rational.

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:46:18

    Kawaii_tha_marten

     
    Not to forget that ESTPs make up more than half of the prison population despite only being 4% of the general population.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:49:01

      Goku

       
      Can you post the source of this stats please?

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:53:52

      Goku

       
      "ESTPs account for about 4–10% of the population." according to wikipedia.
      I spoke about the majority of prisoners being ESTP, but I think you tell that based on your personal observation.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:56:46

      VenomousJourney36

       
      I don't find stats accurate because a lot of people there were probably mistyped.

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:43:41

    aerothon

     
    This a joke? ESTP.

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:38:35

    fg

     
    ESTP are more realistic and rational than INFJ (INFJ due to their Fe use moralistic argument very often rather than logic) but ESTP are immature and impulsive that's why they seem less rational than they are

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:39:40

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Their actions are less rational therefore they are less rational

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:43:01

      fg

       
      They action are based on Se ambition (basic pleasure and want to enjoy) but if we take a ESTP philosopher for example like Epicurus he is far more rational(i mean rational not rationalist) than Plato(INFJ).

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:43:46

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      More "thinking"
      dom: 4 aux: 3 tert: 2 inf: 1
      Ni vs Se = Ni

      Fe vs Ti = Ti

      Ti vs Fe = Ti

      Ni vs Se = Ni

      Results: ESTP: 4 , INFJ: 6

      Letters:
      I vs E = I

      N vs S = =/=

      F vs T = T

      P vs J = J

      Results: ESTP: 1.5 , INFJ: 2.5

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:27:42

    Goku

     
    I would say INFJ more thinking because less impulsive but ESTP more rationnal: I think they are proportionally less represented amongst religious people than INFJ.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:39:58

      Goku

       
      But besides that, ESTP do a lot of stupid things so...

  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:26:17

    wpprsnppr

     
    This site really hates estp's for some reason.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:32:25

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:46:03

      wpprsnppr

       
      Not really imo. estp's are much more down to earth than the mbti community gives them credit for. they might not be *reflective* but they're more grounded and in touch with reality. that's what i assume the author meant by "thinking/rational" anyway.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:46:27

      wpprsnppr

       
      Also it's not even about this particular entry, i've noticed that a lot of negative entries are flooded with estp (and esfj) votes. huh.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:48:52

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Well they wrote "thinking/rational" , which includes thinking before acting, which is a trait correlated to introversion.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:00:40

      VenomousJourney36

       
      Introversion bullshit.

    • Posted on: 2017-11-26 02:35:50

      mars

       

      ^ agreed w wpprsnppr on everything here lmao. How does introversion says shit abt impulsivity btw? It’s more P/J followed by F/T than anything

      and “this site really hates ESTPs” “Not really” bruh u srs? http://mbtibase.com/vchar.php?charid=33880


  • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:18:48

    VenomousJourney36

     
    Estps have very underrated aux Ti. In my experience, they're more street smart, pragmatic and practical.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:34:27

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      ESTPs have dom Se, the most impulsive function leading.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:35:18

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      INFJs are way more laid back

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:37:05

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      ESTP is one of the most confident and aggressive types as well.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:39:11

      VenomousJourney36

       
      That would be an unhealthy Estp in my opinion. Se is not all about acting on impulse.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:45:00

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      By that a huge portion of ESTPs are unhealthy.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:49:10

      aerothon

       
      But who has auxiliary feeling? INFJ. Sensing/Thinking will always trump Intuition/Feeling when it comes to rationality. The only reasons INFJ is winning is because;

      1. Intuitive bias
      2. Introvert bias
      3. INFJ's are calmer thus seen as "more" rational
      4. INFJ's are more likely enneagram Fives (which is a solid reason but not enough to get my vote)

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:55:32

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      I already said, "Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well."

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:00:11

      aerothon

       
      @Kawaii_tha_marten,
      I am aware of what you said but that doesn't invalidate my points.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:00:36

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      "Intuitive bias"

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:06:03

      aerothon

       
      Do you think that the voters are devoid of it? MBTI is DOMINATED by INxx's who think they have everything more figured out so the bias isn't unreasonable, but it can certainly cloud judgment.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:09:53

      VenomousJourney36

       
      "By that a huge portion of ESTPs are unhealthy." Biased and based on stereotypes comment.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:13:23

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Wrong

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:15:54

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Not based on stereotypes (which you weren't even able to tell but just interpreted in), but on my very own experiences, media, and statistics.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:17:26

      VenomousJourney36

       
      If you say so

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:19:31

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      I hate it when people claim things about me without having anything to base their statement on, which unlike me before, you didn't, even though what my statements were based on is largely empirical, it's got higher value none.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:20:37

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      It's got higher value than none*

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:20:59

      VenomousJourney36

       
      Media=stereotype
      Stats=tend to be inaccurate

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:24:05

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      "Media=stereotype
      Stats=tend to be inaccurate" - based on what? empirical data?

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 16:26:49

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Most of the media does not look at the probable MBTI types of the people appearing in their reports etc. , let alone them even knowing about MBTI.

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 17:07:59

      VenomousJourney36

       
      "Empirical data?" About what? Mbti? And many questions its reliability.

  • Posted on: 2017-09-23 22:56:17

    Johncena

     
    Hahhahaha nice joke. Initution bullshit

    • Posted on: 2017-09-24 12:35:40

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Oh come on, INFJ is more rational than ESTP, ESTPs tend to be impulsive and seek pleasure, INFJs tend to be patient and think about the things they're gonna do before doing them

    • Posted on: 2017-10-19 18:33:57

      mike ike

       
      Intuition bullshit

    • Posted on: 2017-10-28 15:32:43

      Kawaii_tha_marten

       
      Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well.

  • Posted on: 2017-09-23 22:55:58

    Johncena

     
    Hahhahaha nice joke. Initution bullshit

    • Posted on: 2017-11-25 15:59:01

      korvaamaton

       
      *intuition