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René Descartes

MBTI enneagram type of René Descartes Realm:
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Psychology, Philosophy, Writing and Social Sciences

TOTAL MBTI VOTES: 29


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TOTAL ENNEA VOTES: 7


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  • Posted on: 2018-04-24 03:50:57

    mbtifan123

     

    I don't think he's INTJ, but if someone can provide a great arguement on how he could be one, then I'd be happy to hear. :) I think Ni is different because Descartes doesn't attempt to relate and weave his arguments (evil demon, dream argument, doubting our senses argument) into a theory. He's just expanding outwards so that he can ascertain his main theory (Ti).

    I think Descartes would be more of an INTP than an INTJ.  If you compare him to other philosophers, such as G.E. Moore,  he wouldn't argue  that “simpler” is necessarily better. GE moore would believe that the skepticism argument is less plausible than common sense because it’s hard to give a better proof than to show people that you have two hands. His point is that you can know things that are unproven. The problem with Moore (that most skeptics would agree with ) is that he’s just begging the question. Descartes would respond by saying that we can’t ascertain the existence of an evil demon controlling immaterial beings like us, therefore we can’t prove that we're immaterial.

    We can also compare Descarte to another Ti user such as Bertrand Russel. Even if nothing exists in the external world, Descartes admits that he seems to conceive his own existence as well as imagine things. The world in which he senses is not to be trusted, however, his ability to think about the objects within his vision proves that he exists (Cogito Ergo Sum).  For example, before a piece of wax is melted, its initial properties are retained: the smell, hardness, color, and texture. After melting the wax, the physical properties are different; the texture is soft, the colors change, and it is no longer fragrant. Descartes reasons that the mind is distinct from the senses because senses are only capable of noting changes in its texture or color. (Senses cannot distinguish a melted and solid wax as the same piece of wax.)

    Also,  If any of you guys read Princess Elisabeth’s argument with Descartes, then it also helps illustrate the Ti vs Te thought process. Princess Elisabeth challenges Descartes's Second meditation because there are instances in which the soul/mind is supported by the body and other cases in which the body is supported by the soul/mind. She believes that there is no possible way the mind, which is immaterial like Descartes claims, can be supported by something material like the body and vice versa--but she has proof that they interact together (e.g. reflexes, reacting to bee stings, hunger, etc). Descartes ultimately argues by saying that the pineal gland is the “soul” that is directly responsible for alot of our bodily functions like movement and temperature regulation. He tends to refine his theory through many possibilities that may or may not have any degree of structure or reliability (tert Si), but are nonetheless options to consider in order to shed light on the soundness of his theory. Moreover, his reasoning is inductive as opposed to deductive because his definition of the soul isn’t influenced by teleological thought.

    He’s expanding against what he initially agreed through counter examples. You really see that the mechanism of his thought process is unstable; he tries to clarify his theory by targeting each possibility against it. (If you ever took a class on rigorous math proofs, then a lot of it focuses on proving the soundness of a claim via counterexample, which would be more archetypal of the Ti-Ne thought process.)

     


  • Posted on: 2018-04-22 11:50:09

    oim8

     

    >is a fuken genius

    >is FRENCH

    >gives the D

    This guy should be aSaint


  • Posted on: 2018-04-22 11:42:59

    diobono

     

    Give her the dick.


  • Posted on: 2018-04-05 09:23:27

    enfjgirlygirl

     
    Wait it is a requirement for INTPs to have long hair? Then that makes sense ESFJs and ISFJs have long hair too! (Women) (Socionics Alpha)

  • Posted on: 2018-04-05 09:22:47

    enfjgirlygirl

     
    Wait it is a requirement for INTPs to have long hair? Then that makes sense ESFJs and ISFJs have long hair too! (Women)

  • Posted on: 2018-02-28 06:37:31

    fg is loved

     

    Descartes went to a airplane trip to Kenya and saw some gorillas. Then he flew back home to France went to a zoo and saw different types of gorillas locked in a cage. Realizing his senses are sometimes deceptive he read Plato's Allegory. Then Descartes went home and wrote a bunch of stuff in his notebook. Which would he agree with the most?

     

    a. Trust your mind, plan another trip to the zoo because the animals there are like humans

    b. It is good to use your imagination, draw some tigers he saw in Kenya

    c. It is good to express your emotions so play with some stuffed animals

    d. It may be good to analyze and think about society and how it connects to differences between domesticated animals and wild animals, but it is also good to plan some actions using your mind

    e. God exists and I am 100% certain of it. God is always good


  • Posted on: 2018-02-20 20:41:45

    blackboyslovemath

     

    Knucklehead


    • Posted on: 2018-02-27 09:40:27

      fg is loved

       

      He makes a rational argument but lacked common sense. However he admits God might be a possibility but forgets one thing: all that time thinking he could just hug a fellow neighbor or say a nice compliment smile


    • Posted on: 2018-04-17 12:12:14

      Thomas shnik

       

      Intellectualism>compliments and hugs


    • Posted on: 2018-04-17 14:35:41

      fg is loved

       
      He died of a cold. Maybe a hug could have saved his life.

  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:54:49

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:40:51

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

    I can understand why people think he is a perceiver but I have noticed he slips a lot of arrogance which is judger. People overlook that becasue they too have some criticism against the Catholic Church.


  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:40:51

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

    I can understand why people think he is a perceiver but I have noticed he slips a lot of arrogance which is judger. People overlook that becasue they too have some criticism against the Catholic Church.


  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:40:51

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

    I can understand why people think he is a perceiver but I have noticed he slips a lot of arrogance which is judger. People overlook that becasue they too have some criticism against the Catholic Church.


  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:26:43

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

    Yes at first glance Rene Descartes seems INTP but I'll think about it a little more. He seems angry at the catholic church but that seems more ESTJ or INFP (delta quad socionics, but I refuse to put the lower case fourth letter).

    But how is he INTP he doubts the sense so I suppose Ti-dom could make sense. But typing by letter he seems more of a judger than a perceiver.

    I - he doubts the external world because of the evil demon argument

    N - clearly perfers thoughts over senses

    T - he is trying to logically analyze his experiences

    J - he is judging. I think he is a closeted atheist who would fit in atheist groups today


    • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:36:54

      Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

       

      however typing by function kiss

      Ni - I think this function is most dominant. I considered Ne but instead of looking at the possibilites he tries to look for something specific. The wax argument is similiar to the analogy Lloyd DeMause uses when describing the ambivalent mode.

      5 is described as "ambivalent to both parents" according to 9types.com. But INTJs can be 5s too remember.

      Te - He must have been ambivalent to the idea of God but I think he is more closer to atheism than rationalism. However "the evil demon argument" clearly suggests a childhood projected by parental altars or poison container use.  He is the "father of rationalism" supposedly but his "I think therefore I am" may be Extraverted Thinking" because he is trying to think to analyze the world around him he uses the wax as a analogy. 

      Fi - he has morals for sure he has critiqued the catholic church and being born in France and close to Italy, he is surronded by lots of painters/artists (ISFPs because they uses senses and feelings to draw things from their internal heart and want to find the truth)

      Se - this is so obvious that sensing is the last thing he cares about. I love you fg


  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 06:57:01

    fg

     

    (Ti Dom) Descartes want to discovered the truth with rationnal evidence as the start.

    (Ne aux) he explore multiple possibility of way of knowledge before judging them with logic (sens ==> dream argument + cheating sens arguments, mathematic truth ==> evil demon etc...)

    (Si tertiary)cautiousness is one of the principal quality that you need to find the truth, precipitation is one of our worst ennemies in Descartes philosophy.

    (Fe inf) Descartes's provisional morality is based on Fe conformity over Fi  Internal Value


    • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:01:32

      Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

       

      Type by letter all you want. Remember this: you are loved


    • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:24:50

      fg

       

      get out josephty, with all your alts.


    • Posted on: 2018-02-15 07:50:23

      Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

       

      He does have internal value thats why he is arrogant enough to bash imagination. Ne is about the possibilities like the recursion concept in computer programming where you could program an infinite loop. I see more introverted intuition in him because he mediatates which the idea is to ignore the senses (or monkey mind is the common analogy). Because his Se is inferor other people who are more affected by his senses asked him to write about the senses. He wanted to control the passions which is clearly enneagram 1 in my opinion.

      In addition, he was paranoid and moved a lot. INTPs are generally very calm and secure. INTJs tend to be more paranoid. Being a gamma type rather than an alpha type (socionics) Rene had the unfortante use of Fi rather than Fe thus causing him to act like he owned the place.

      Hes a lot like you fg. Arrogant but at least Rene is older I'm give him that. Tell you what I will send love energy to you to increase your IQ (INTJ statement). You have a smart mind. You are loved. I love you.


  • Posted on: 2018-02-15 05:24:05

    Labaconaise mike ike Jones is loved

     

    I have given up assessing someones' MBTI Type by letters. Also functions are ridiculous unless you are a wizard