WTFFF, the obvious yanderes are ESFJs!! How could anyone get intuitives so wrong LMAO, this is sad yet hilarious. INFPs are more dandere/moe/undere, INFJs are tsunshun/miko/ojou/nadeshiko, ENFJs are bokukko.
high ni is common with yanderes because:- their actions are often symbolic and abstract - they're often more in love with the concept of love than their actual "crush"- they're highly paranoid with their "what-if" thinking
also a lot of yanderes also appear se-inferior:- they display poor impulse control (becoming easily touch-starved, accidentally hurting someone etc.)- can become trigger-happy and violent when stressed
esfj's do have capacity to be yanderes but infj is the "ultimate" yandere type but it depends on the character in question. if you're typing with letters then i don't know what to tell you.
This is my take on.
ESFJ when falls in love they want to show other they are a good lover. They will always feel they're action offends other. So how do they respond? By being even more nicer. When people start telling ESFJ to back off, and they respect these types of feeling. ESFJ gets frustrated and start to retaliating why should you care about these feelings. They consider themselves already good enough. At time they will push you away because they realize they were too needy. But they don't want that either, so while away from you, ESFJ comes with a way to get you back liking them. And when they don't realize there isn't any geniune love, they ended up using you and toss you to the side. Or kill.....
Typing is not your forte, you have a limited knowledge regarding the cognitive functions. I would suggest you to quit typing, you are a sensor after all.
"their actions are often symbolic and abstract" - By that flawed logic of yours, those who have OCD must be Ni dominant as well. Considering those with OCD have rituals that are considered to be symbolic and could be abstract.
"they're often more in love with the concept of love than their actual ´crush´" - Psychology is not a strenght you posssess. The yandere does no longer love, love could be subjective yet its definition does not point to insanety. If that were true, nearly all romantics would be some sort of yandere. Yandere characters do not usually know too well the person they like, that means they do not care to forge a bond with their "love" interest, their so called "love" is mainly based on the superficial that does not penetrate the "love" interest's personality. A person that would care about the concept of love (even if it simply were a crush and nothing else) would not go to such lenghts since it would know how love is supposed to be. Yandere point to Si aux and Si dominant Fe users due to them limiting themselves to concepts such as "love" despite not exactly feeling it. Keeping oneself to a certain "concept", obsessing over its "traditional" meaning is indeed a Fe - Si trait, you just contradicted yourself.
"also a lot of yanderes also appear se-inferior: - they display poor impulse control (becoming easily touch-starved, accidentally hurting someone etc.)" - Ni dominant types are not impulsive in nature, they are among the last impulsive types, unlike the SJ and SP. Are you intending to tell one that INTJs are impulsive in nature, more so than the ESTJ (despite them not being Se users, they are still known for being among the most impulsive SJs, ESFJs come second), xSTPs and such? You are demolishing your argument, it would have been better if you have been telling a joke, since the claim of yours is beyond pathetic and of course, irrational in nature, making it nonsensical.
"They can become trigger-happy and violent when stressed" - Anger issues are supposedly and other mental problematics are now Ni, based on your description. Apparently, any mental disorder equals Ni dominance.
"if you're typing with letters then i don't know what to tell you" - Here you are implying (it's safe to assume) that you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to the cognitive functions, compared to those who might disagree with you. It's a tactic (I am not fond of calling it a "tactic") that many use in order to convince others they are being humble, to make it appear they have not been intending to influence others with their thoughts.
I would advice you to take a better look at the cognitive functions, you not seem to grasp it as of yet. It won't hurt to appear less ignorant by informing oneself before making a statement. Read some psychology books, they may be to an advantage. I am aware that there are individuals who do not need to take any psychology courses in order to comprehend the human psyche, but this is far from being your case. It's safe to point out that you are not a Ni dominant user. Your interpretation of Ni couldn't be more erroneous, or flawed, depending on which of those terms you prefer.
i'm not going to debunk this entire wall of text bc ain't nobody got time for that and your arguments suck overall, so i'll just break it down to the fundamentals - fiction works differently from reality. obviously i didn't mean to say that real-life ni doms/se-infs are violent wife beaters under stress and their actions are always ~deep~ and symbolic. yandere is already a very flanderized fictional trope and a huge part of it is tied to a mental illness of some kind, so it's pretty obvious their actions would be taken to extreme.
"Ni dominant types are not impulsive in nature, they are among the last impulsive types, unlike the SJ and SP. Are you intending to tell one that INTJs are impulsive in nature, more so than the ESTJ (despite them not being Se users, they are still known for being among the most impulsive SJs, ESFJs come second), xSTPs and such?"not normally. under stress. which is the way functions work in 99% of theories.
"Yandere point to Si aux and Si dominant Fe users due to them limiting themselves to concepts such as "love" despite not exactly feeling it."how the fuck does it point to si-fe? it points to a mental illness. it looks like your knowledge of psychology is limited.
"Here you are implying (it's safe to assume) that you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to the cognitive functions, compared to those who might disagree with you."hoo boy, you really do learn something new everyday! i said "i don't know what to tell you" because the clash between functions and letters can't be argumented. if op prefers typing by letter then my comment can very well be irrelevant.
"It's a tactic (I am not fond of calling it a "tactic")"and yet you did. for no reason. i'm nowhere as cunning as you expect me to be, maybe i'm really not an intjay after all :c
"It's safe to point out that you are not a Ni dominant user."oh boy here come the "ure not reel intjay!!!11". so what if i'm not? i don't care about shoddy psychology labels as much as you do. and sorry to inform you but this pretentious language won't make you one either ¯\_( o_o )_/¯
also it's pretty funny how you keep insulting my "knowledge of psychology" and whatnot but fail to realize mbti itself is a flawed and debunked system in itself.
why do i even bother with this troll acc
ENTJ. auxillary Ni, Te+Si loop
NOT teritary Ni-Fe loop
Yandere has repressed Fe. What you're seeing is Fe grip.
fuck its Te-Se loop man I am spacing out
wpprsnppr, you have to be kidding me.
You have shown repeatedly the same argument without any base to hold it up, while at the same time you keep showing how much you lack about knowing how the cognitive functions work.
And stop nit-picking on what you want to argue about and ignore the important parts.
I will reply to everything you wrote and dismissed as false.
I can debunk your own comments with your own words, easier done than said.
Now let's start.
i'm not going to debunk this entire wall of text bc ain't nobody got time for that and your arguments suck overall, so i'll just break it down to the fundamentals - fiction works differently from reality.
It really doesn't since the Yandere personality exist in Korea, they call them Saesang. They are known for breaking into someone’s house, steal underwear or other belongings of their love interest. They like to stalk, take pictures without permission to their collection. Many sasaengs have been reported to order taxis specifically to stalk the person they are obsessed with. They can write letters with blood, usually period blood which has happened to many Kpop idols and other popular people. They threaten to kill those who get close to their love interest and have actually been shown to be “sweet” in front of others, until someone gets close to the person they like, this will cause them to lose control. A few Yanderes exist in Japan (more males than females unlike Korea) but it's mostly known in Korea aside from fiction. Similar cases have been documented in the western world, stalkers can be obsessed with normal people to celebrities, going to such lengths of killing their love rival. But it's not as common as it is in Korea.
obviously i didn't mean to say that real-life ni doms/se-infs are violent wife beaters under stress and their actions are always deep and symbolic.
Why are you bringing up the INFP too even though the INFP was never mentioned, the topic is about ESFJ and Ni-dom = INTJ/INFJ. You once again are writing rubbish.
The typical abusive husband is the ruined ESTP and the wife is either an ISFJ or ISTJ (mostly ISFJ)
If you want more information about it, I can easily provide it
Many people can have something symbolic such as funeral stones or a piece of clothes. I can also include OCD that is categorised as a mental disorder, the person suffers from compulsive obsessions that are being carried out through rituals that are symbolic to them, according to researchers (scientists, psychologists), when the person is not able to carry out their obsessive thoughts they will start panicking.
yandere is already a very flanderized fictional trope and a huge part of it is tied to a mental illness of some kind, so it's pretty obvious their actions would be taken to extreme.
Again, go back to what I wrote earlier about Sasaeng and reread the comment Unknown wrote, you clearly stated you didn't want to acknowledge everything she wrote. Contradicting yourself when you wrote the same thing Unknown mentioned. Unknown clearly mentioned it was correlated to a mental disorder/illness which you ignored since you nit-picked what you wanted to read.
"Ni dominant types are not impulsive in nature, they are among the last impulsive types, unlike the SJ and SP. Are you intending to tell one that INTJs are impulsive in nature, more so than the ESTJ (despite them not being Se users, they are still known for being among the most impulsive SJs, ESFJs come second), xSTPs and such?"
not normally. under stress. which is the way functions work in 99% of theories.
Did you get the numbers from your ass? Give me the source that states the same percentage you posted, because I searched and couldn't find it.
If you are telling me you are using a figure of speech then you must
"Yandere point to Si aux and Si dominant Fe users due to them limiting themselves to concepts such as "love" despite not exactly feeling it."
how the fuck does it point to si-fe? it points to a mental illness. it looks like your knowledge of psychology is limited.
You are actually promoting what she wrote, she again, said that it pointed to mental illness.
Also under stress INxJs are described to fall under self-indulgence, their self-indulgence is characterised for being auto destructive (self-destruction); such as smoking, drinking, spending too much money on things that are unnecessary and useless, on excessive lengths which again, only happens under stress in order to forget the present. It affects their own physical health. Their suppressed Se is in no way described as being destructive towards those who surround the INxJ. Alcoholism can naturally affect people who are close to the INxJ.
Here is a link, it's enough structured that even a retard would understand, so you won't have any difficulty to overload your brain. It describes how each type behaves under stress. It also mentions the cognitive functions. If you have any complaint about it, go complain to the site. It's not the first site to mention it, you have to report them all if you disagree but it will take some time you clearly don't want to waste nor have, like you mentioned earlier.
when i see you source, i understand why most of words who came out of your mouth are crap
was talking to NotHuman by the way
no prob, figured
"Here you are implying (it's safe to assume) that you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to the cognitive functions, compared to those who might disagree with you."
hoo boy, you really do learn something new everyday! i said "i don't know what to tell you" because the clash between functions and letters can't be argumented.
You are more confusing than a person using sign language while argumenting with a Chinese.
if op prefers typing by letter then my comment can very well be irrelevant.
You don't know the reasoning behind Artisticfreakzz comment, Artisticfreakzz may or may not have thought of the cognitive functions before posting the comment. So don't assume before knowing the reason behind that reply.
"It's a tactic (I am not fond of calling it a "tactic")"
and yet you did. for no reason. i'm nowhere as cunning as you expect me to be, maybe i'm really not an intjay after all :c
Please don't make me laugh (your sarcasm), you are too ignorant to even consider yourself 1% INTJ or as your poor brain writes “ intjay” sounds like a mental retardation if you ask me.
Since all the things you have done is just copy and paste, and write a little text with no facts that make absolutely no sense and think you won the argument, to make it worse you even call the person a false claimed INTJ (and a troll)
Real facts are obscure and suddenly too much to handle in your little mind.
"It's safe to point out that you are not a Ni dominant user."
oh boy here come the "ure not reel intjay!!!11". so what if i'm not? i don't care about shoddy psychology labels as much as you do. and sorry to inform you but this pretentious language won't make you one either ¯\_( o_o )_/¯
also it's pretty funny how you keep insulting my "knowledge of psychology" and whatnot but fail to realize mbti itself is a flawed and debunked system in itself.
It's caring about psychology labels as call it, it's about making a point and caring about knowledge which you. Something you will never understand or in your case experience it?
I'm also laughing at how you point out someone is trying to be smart with a normal vocabulary that most cunning people use unlike your ghetto vocabulary and obviously vocabulary doesn't always matter since it doesn't always define but you could at least tried to at least sound like a mature person and structured your comments.
I don't like stereotypes but it's know for INTJs and ENTPs in general to care about grammar usually called the grammarnazies.
And the way Unknown structured the comment and what it has written before it's okay to call Unknown an INTJ.
Unlike you who are a bootleg ass persona.
p e r s o n a
"I don't like stereotypes but it's know for INTJs and ENTPs in general to care about grammar usually called the grammarnazies."
if you don't like stereotype don't use them in every comment of yours comment.
i don't know why you whine about that but i've never said i was INTJ.
fg, stop stalking me, I know you love me like the Yandere you are but we can't be together for obvious reasons, you are like an outdated artifact and I'm high tech.
Also don't come with tit-grabbing comments like *read with a retarded voice* “Oh the link is fake” like you ever tried to provide source, I posted something that happened to explain simpler my point if the user happened to be too stupid to read which turned out to be true.
Unlike like you I don't take past experiences nor base everything I say out of one source and like I previously said, If you want to complain sue the site and all MBTI related sites, while you are at it sue the creators of myers briggs, Oh wait they are already dead but you can go to the other side and still lecture them. See how it goes because I'm curious, I trust you.
Maybe you can get a chance with me if you do that, like the thirsty yandere you are.
Yandere are by definition fictionnal feminine anime character. as i know i am not an anime character and i am not a female so i can't be a Yandere.
even if i was a girl and an anime character and if i loved you (but we don't know it's not the case) i will fit to the tsundere definition.
i quote external source if you read my comments you will know it.but since you are probably too intectually lazy to read my previous quotes there is some site i consider as OK:
Fg, yanderes exist in real life, these terms can be used in both anime and irl, for example we have "dandere" someone shy, would avoid conflicts and stare at their crush in the distance rather than approaching them due to their shy nature. Yandere are obsessive people that would do about anything to get their hands on people they think they are "in love" with, how about you actually read what nothuman wrote, they stated facts, argued well and came to a conclusion yet you and that dumbass wpprsnppr keep avoiding the point like some damn autistic kids, the point is trying to get to you but it's as if you dodge it everytime it tries to hit you, the one who seems more "intellectually lazy" are you two blockheads, how about you use your brain and admit defeat for once than to embarrass yourselves any further (as if you already haven't reached that point of humiliation). Your pride as a self proclaimed "intellectual" blinds you from the truth it seems, throw away that stubborness. Since you are so clueless NotHuman actually gave you an example of yanderes irl, what more do you want, everything is pur out there for you, this is just, once again, embarrassing for you and that wpprsnppr.
"Fg, yanderes exist in real life, these terms can be used in both anime and irl" nope
i will not admit defeat because, here i've debunked you and him with DEFINITIONS AND AVAILABLE SOURCE.
i've never said i was an intellectual i'm just said i was a student in philosophy IRL.
sorry but well constructed arguments even if they came from someone you don't like will be always more important than your little felling(this is also true for NotHuman)
Intellectual and lazy, mind you. The intellectually lazy is you, fg,Teru technically pointed this out about you. It's very infantile to create yet another page about me where I am supposedly retarded and in another one the same person as Unknown, truth is Unknown and I are siblings. This is getting ridiculous, Artisticfreakzz is not one of us, it's a completely different user. First people assume I am some Pickup dude and now I'm suddenly not only my own sister but another user, what's next, Khel, Teru or Kim Jong Un? Make up your mind already. If you are not the one who made this page about me then I guess I can take it back.
i did not make any page like this about Unknown. i understand more and more your stupidity now i know you share the same consanguine blood with her. i was not telling you were artistic freakzz if i was thinking that i will not say:"i've debunked you and him"
did you pick as reference this ASSUMED TROLL of teru.
I did not make any page like this about Unknown. i understand more and more your stupidity now i know you share the same consanguine blood with her. i was not telling you were artistic freakzz.
if i was thinking that i will not say:"i've debunked you and him"
did you pick as reference this ASSUMED TROLL of teru?
Fg, you're completely denying the term "yandere" existing, so that also means that you don't believe that a person can act kind and gentle whilst being twisted and psychotic on the inside? So absolutely NO ONE like that exists according to your arguments? Your knowledge seems to be limited, you can only see things in black and white, limiting your brain from evolving intellectually, I cannot possibly see how you even study philosophy when your thinking has neve rreached the true meaning of depth. Yandere again, is just a name/term to call people that fake their personalities in that level, which are often seen in ESFJs, it's pathetic and tragic how INFJs are categorized in the same department as those psychos, INFJs are calm, humble, dominant personality-wise, however it doesn't have the same definition as "possessive" and "psychpathic", they are pacifists and would not like to hurt things, yet people class them the same as ESFJs, the ignorance is unbelievable, it just shows how low of a capability you people have when typing others.
And in addition, no worries about my or NotHuman's "fellings", what's more upsetting and tragic is your stupidity and autism.
you're like kids lol
pazojdns i posted my comment in the wrong space, i wanted to post "you're like kids lol" here sry
According to fg he's 18 so he's not a kid (LMAO)
Artisticfreakzz i don't say he's a kid but the conversation is like "you're stupid" "no this is you, you are stupid!" etc, and in general, fg's comments will always contains "insults" i don't understand why all this violence lol peace^^^^
The page I'm talking about is named NotHuman=Unknown=Artisticfreakzz
That's what I'm talking about and I'm not fully convinced that you didn't create it.
How much did it take to crack the nut that we were siblings since it isn't so hard to deduce if one has a bit of intelligence and curiosity.
If by your logic I'm stupid then you should check into a madhouse since you are then beyond “stupid” (you must have acknowledged by now that my intellect is superior to yours, I have bad self-esteem but not that bad to see you as someone smarter than me).
Also I spoke about Teru since he made very good points about your weak points and bad intellect with superiority complex which you like to cover up with a mask that has cracked a few times.
Ludynis, I know, I was just kidding:-/
NO PIECE, JUST WAR RAAAAAAAWRRRRR >: D
calm down please, why are you screaming shhh
keep me out of this shit jfc
didnt mean to like that comment, you're all talking some fucking bullshit
Response forArtistic Freakzz: if you had the ability to read you will know Yandere are by definition anime character! you really are an idiot. i did not said people can't look like yandere in real life but they are ot yandere.
"According to fg he's 18 so he's not a kid (LMAO)" in France majority is 18 ==> i'm french and 18 so i am an adult, is this difficult for you?
response for Not human:"I have bad self-esteem" i need a break when i see a lie as big as this one.
i did not even know a page named"NotHuman=Unknown=Artisticfreakzz" even exist so stop being paranoid one second and go educate yourself
Fg, Yandere is a term for those kinds of people, make up your mind, do they exist or not? You can tell a person that they're "genki", which means energetic and happy, call them "tsundere", acting mean on the outside but they're soft on the inside, but they are as I said, terms to use for anime characters and real life PEOPLE, they are japanese words, so by that you're also implying that a japanese person cannot call or describe someone as a "yandere", "genki" or even "kuudere" in their mother language? These terms exist for a reason, they are pointing out an aspect of a personality as one could say. And also seems like you don't get the joke, legally "18" doesn't imply that you have the mindset of an adult, what both NotHuman and I are trying to say is that your behaviour is nothing but premature from the way you have been abstaining our arguments. Just because a person suddenly turns 18 doesn't imply that the brain has reached its mental growth, which have been confirmed from the way you address your thoughts, from what I have seen people out there on different polls have proven you wrong but the point just never seems to hit you, instead you proceed to writing the ludicrous statements, quoting others rather than using your own intelligence, attaching sites which have little to no meaning to them, quoting the people who made their points and proved you wrong in order to "twist" their words, my friend, seems like you have what i would call a "superiority complex", you never give up, make yourself look more laughable, truly it's tragic, aiming to bend the words of others, answering impulsively, which is ironic, since from what I've seen you have been writing that the Se function is impulsive (which is correct). What I am concerned about is that the point never gets to you (I know I have been repeating this several times, but it is apprehensive), what i have concluded is that you are showing signs of Autism and superiority complex, if you so want me to write down my thoughts on why I believe that you have it then you are welcome to ask for it.
you can say a real person look look like a tsundere or a yandere but not they are tsundere or yandere because there is contradiction between the reality of this people and the non-reality of a fictionnal character.
you said i have autism and superiority complex . but have you even a little bit of competence in this field?
you attack me on my maturity but most of teacher i've met at school describe me as a mature and serious student, i believe a teacher who have some pedagogic knowledge are more competent on this field like you.
i did not write thing impulsively unlike you, you don't read the source i send you. because of that you don't even see the incompatibility between the term "Yandere" and a real person.
fg Oui enfin ça se saurait si les professeurs savaient diagnostiquer les élèves mdr, déjà comprendre ce qu'on écrit c'est compliqué pour eux, alors analyser quelqu'un, juste lol. Ils voient juste ton image, pas ce que tu es vraiment
lmao i cant believe this is a whole arguement
These -dere brandings are why anime fans are being taken as retarded virgins with unwired brains.